Porochaz
post 85: an auspicious start. there's plenty of significant stuff gone on that prozac could be commenting on, not least of which is ray attracting a somewhat serious wagon. lack of comment on this = prozac hoping it will blow over soon, as early wagons tend to.
post 103: i accept that some people disagree with the line of thought that says you should have a vote down at all times on at least d1, and not doing so is anti-town. (i don't accept that they're right, just that they exist). but i don't think anyone will argue with the fact that refusing to vote
or do anything else
is anti-town.post 154: the first time that prozac makes a post that one might actually be able to construe as helpful.
the thing that sticks out to me most about this is the "it's like me having a neutral read on ray" that seems to be apropos of nothing. it gives the impression that he had "need to comment on ray" at the forefront of his brain in writing that and jammed it in there any old way, despite how badly it fit.
also, attacking every single person on the snow bunny wagon is most definitely a
prozac/bunny ++
post 156: "i'm waiting for ray's response" is a really bad reason not to vote him.
post 170: i simply cannot comprehend why prozac unvotes me. there is zero reason for it. no one else was voting me at the time, so there was no danger of an accidental lynch, he says himself that he isn't feeling any better about me, so why????????
i don't even think it's scummy, i just don't understand.
post 179: the fabled L-1 vote that apparently clears prozac. the thing is, from my point of view, it's virtually guaranteed that
somebody
bussed ray, and i'll take the guy who went from refraining from commenting on ray -> claiming a neutral read on him -> saying "oh yeah that's a good case but i'm waiting for his reply" and trying to get a wagon going on someone else -> voting him to L-1 over someone who was on ray from the start and actually made significant contributions to the case instead of just agreeing with others' reasoning any day.post 239: ...especially when he hops straight away from the wagon again one post later.
post 278: prozac is highly dismissive of spyrex's mbf case.
prozac/mbf +
post 335: prozac is the only person who seems to spend any significant headsapce on figuring out my secret identity before i outed myself. that, to me, seems like an unnecessary distraction from actual scumhunting. i mean, you could probably make a case that figuring out the identity of an alt could help you get a better read on them through meta, but... prozac clearly isn't interested in that; his whole argument here goes against that. scummy behaviour is scummy behaviour, whether it's a vet or a newb making it, that's what he's saying. so why does it matter if i'm a vet or not? why devote so much time to thinking about it?
also, this is the one and only post where prozac makes any mention of tajo on d1. "someone whos currently in the background - ie tajo rofl etc, crypto", it's an offhand comment buried in the middle there. tajo is the very first person he thinks of when bringing up lurkers, and prozac is completely happy to let tajo get by with that, since everyone else is. that's like a
prozac/tajo +++++
or something, seriously.post 402: "But I do not deal in absolutes so I will make a diclaimer and say everything in this post is my opinion."
this is just exposing the abject stupidity of the whole "dealing in absolutes" argument. of course it's your own opinion! you know how i can tell? because you are the one posting it! why why why would you need to state this explicitly? do you think people are going to be confused if you don't? are they going to think you are stating someone else's opinion? COME ON.
post 440: haha, no, i'm still not responding. and there's nothing you can do about it. booyah.
and d1 out. here is the thing with prozac's d1 - he settles pretty early in the day on "agoti is scum, ray is scum", and never deviates, or does any kind of scumhunting elsewhere, just coasts on through, taking potshots at me every so often and insisting that he is totally happy to lynch ray, honestly. what part of that is pro-town play, seriously?
post 539: again, "whether x flips scum or town, y is scum" is just a terrible thing to be saying.
post 630: this is where i did reply to one point in his case against me, and prozac... completely fails to even read my response.
"you put words in elvis's mouth! she never said i was scummy!"
"um, i never said that elvis said you were scummy."
"no, look at this post! ELVIS NEVER SAID I WAS SCUMMY!"
like, i'd already figured that responding to this case would be a huge waste of my time, but that is some pretty strong confirmation right there.
and yeah, d2 is even more so with the complete lack of interest in anyone besides me and ray.
post 664: let me ask you this, prozac. why do you care if i answer your case? why is it so important? this case i am making right now, against you, i give no crap if you want to respond to it or not. it's not for you. i think you are scum, and i am explaining to the rest of the town why i think that. but you, on the other hand, you don't seem to care what the people you supposedly think are town think of your case, you are just obsessed with getting into a quote war with me. that's phenomenally unhelpful.
post 687: prozac finally acknowledges the existence of other players in the game. well, except for snow bunny. clearly he genuinely forgot she existed, and i can't see scum forgetting about their partner entirely, so
prozac/bunny --
post 692: clarification that it was white he forgot, and his comments on her were meant for bunny. the same point still applies - i'm sure he'd find it much easier to separate them in his mind if he knew they had different alignments, so the fact that he still confuses them suggests that he is not scum with bunny.
post 705 and post 729: here is where prozac clearly misrepresents iamausername's postings to give the impression that i was specifically avoiding this game when taking even a meager glance at post histories would show that i was pretty much absent across the board. really struggling to see how the change from "6 posts" to "7/8 posts" when no new posts had been made was not malicious.
post 869: "Not only have I taken an active stance in the game I am leading the charge against AGOTI as well."
i like how these are listed as two separate points, when they are in fact one and the same - the only active stance prozac has taken is leading the charge against me. that is the only thing he has done for like the entire game.
post 971: ridiculous claims about how the tajo lynch is bad because "if he is town, it will give us less information", like that doesn't apply to
any
lynch that turns up town. prozac/tajo ++
post 1021: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN.
in summary: prozac decided pretty early on to go after me, and has done virtually nothing else for the entire game. i encourage everyone to isoread him and see this for yourself. he gradually shifted his d1 stance on ray from no comment -> neutral -> oh yeah scummy as the wagon developed, and pushed for my lynch ahead of ray's any chance he could get. prozac and tajo's interactions with each other (or lack thereof) are seriously screaming scum team. that is all i have to say.
snow bunny
post 82: the "neutral on mike" is odd, why even mention him if you have nothing to say about him?
bunny/mbf +
post 285: me no likey. it's much like prozac with the pushing away from ray, while claiming to continue supporting his lynch. the last sentence in particular bothers me - it almost seems like gloating at the fact that the ray wagon has disappeared.
wow, her posting on d1 was even more sparce than i remembered. no comments at all on prozac or tajo, but then, there's no comments on like half the players in the game. it's mostly just whining about the fact that anyone could have the audacity to suspect her.
post 614: makes no sense. i'm scummier than ray, but ray deserves to die more because "he's already survived one day". um, so did i? what?
it's nonsense that reflects well on her though. if she thinks it's reasonable to consider me scummier than ray, then one would think she'd also be trying to get me lynched over him if he was her scumbuddy.
the reads on the other three, i think the mbf point looks the least like scum. "i had a town read on him before, but i'm starting to doubt" -> given that mbf was getting the most heat, that looks a lot like priming herself to jump on another townie if she felt the need later.
prozac is listed as town, with a "just gut" qualifier added. spyrex got "town" without any qualifiers; the fact that she finds it necessary to justify her town read on prozac in some way could be an indication that she was worried about looking connected.
tajo gets the "neutral", which i think is the most likely scumbuddy position, though. it says "i am totally not with this guy", but doesn't require one to actually push for a lynch on him.
bunny/mbf --
, bunny/prozac +
, bunny/tajo ++
post 680: wait,
crypto
was unnecessarily delaying ray's lynch? bunny/tajo +
, because if that's a point against crypto, tajo clearly deserves heat for doing the same, only much worse.post 820: "And, on light of that new thought, I can't say much on Tajo. There's something I don't like about his posts. Can't say exactly what it is. As someone else said, there's certainly a connection between him and AGOTI, but I would prefer first an AGOTI's flip in order to build a case upon that."
whoever it was that pointed out how this totally looks like bunny hoping to make tajo look good off my town flip, you're totally right. especially when you factor in this comment of hers from 680: "Truth be told, I'm not much of a fan of scum-for-association (I think it can lead to many misunderstandings)".
bunny/tajo ++
post 1007: OMG, this is ridiculous. elvis is not scum with crypto. here is the huge flaw in your reasoning:
"And, if the gambit is to save a town-rofl (Elvis-crypto), the risks are lower. If Rofl gets lynched, then Elvis and crypto would be left as confirmed towns, and surely getting them an insta-win."
let me narrow it down a little more:
"If Rofl gets lynched"
there it is! THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. elvis guaranteed that that will never happen by claiming innocent on him. something that she had absolutely no motivation to do if she is scum and he is not. he would have been lynched today, that's pretty much a fact. i almost certainly would have gone tomorrow. then elvis and crypto just have to turn whichever of you/mbf/prozac/tajo/white they decide to leave alive against each other, and easy money.
why on earth would elvis want to make it so much harder on herself by preventing the rofl lynch, and risk being counterclaimed, and force herself into coming up with results every day? there is no reason for her to do that. it is absurd to think that she would do that. elvis is not scum with crypto, you can take that to the bank.
...
anyway. after isoreading bunny, i am surprised to discover just exactly how useless she has been, and definitely seeing a strong chance of a bunny/tajo pair from her side. enough so to counteract the negative data i got on that from the tajo read, fo sho.
in order of likelihood:
tajo/prozac
tajo/bunny
prozac/mbf
definitely think it's one of those three. so, lynch me, lynch tajo, lynch prozac. if tajo flips scum and prozac doesn't, lynch bunny. if prozac flips scum and tajo doesn't, lynch mbf.
(we can skip the 'lynch me' step if you want, i don't mind.)
done.
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