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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:59 am

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6


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- 1 - Seacore - (L-5)
Cruciare
- 2 - Farside22, Cobalt - (L-4)

Players not voting: Benmage, chamber, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, drippinggoofball, TonyMontana

DrippingGoofball wrote:I've already claimed.
AFAIK, you never claimed what you picked.
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:01 am

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1.) Cobalt -
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4.) Chamber
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9.) Cruciare -
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10.) Seacore -
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11.) TonyMontana -
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13.) DrippingGoofball -
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17.) Farside22 -
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18.) Benmage - ?
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:39 am

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TonyMontana wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:I've already claimed.
AFAIK, you never claimed what you picked.
I alluded to it on Day 1. Bulletproof.
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:41 am

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That's right, farside. Seacore watched Budja track me. And yet, Seacore might be the player that believed Budja the least.

I'll let you figure it out, it's a great exercize. You have to think one layer deeper than you are doing now.
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:10 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:That's right, farside. Seacore watched Budja track me. And yet, Seacore might be the player that believed Budja the least.

I'll let you figure it out, it's a great exercize. You have to think one layer deeper than you are doing now.

WHAT DOES SCUM HAVE TO GAIN FAKE CLAIMING A RESULT WHEN THEY WILL BE NK BY THE VIG IF YOU ARE TRUELY TOWN?
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:27 am

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farside22 wrote:WHAT DOES SCUM HAVE TO GAIN FAKE CLAIMING A RESULT WHEN THEY WILL BE NK BY THE VIG IF YOU ARE TRUELY TOWN?
He was caught - he couldn't say that he saw nothing. Because he'd already stupidly voted me.

If he was scum having caught a scum from the other team, he would have been crazy vocal about it and would have done everything in his power to have me lynched from the get go and be a hero. BUT we had to beg him to claim. Does that make sense?

He had no option, really. He couldn't say he tracked someone else other than me because I'm the one he voted for at the beginning of the day. He was jockeying for 'one more day' but there was no reason for that because he would have been lynched the next day - even if I were scum, which I am not, I am vanilla, so he'd be dead for lying about my role no matter what, and certainly because of my alignment.

Use your noggin', girl.
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:36 am

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farside, pay attention.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:17 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:even if I were scum, which I am not, I am vanilla, so he'd be dead for lying about my role no matter what, and certainly because of my alignment.
What lie would that be? He only claimed to have tracked you to SC
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:21 am

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TonyMontana wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:even if I were scum, which I am not, I am vanilla, so he'd be dead for lying about my role no matter what, and certainly because of my alignment.
What lie would that be? He only claimed to have tracked you to SC
People!!! Start thinking... please.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm vanilla, so he couldn't have tracked me to anybody at all. So he'd be dead.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm town, and he'd be dead X 2.
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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:25 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
People!!! Start thinking... please.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm vanilla, so he couldn't have tracked me to anybody at all. So he'd be dead.
Start thinking, yourself. If you're scum, he could have tracked your kill.
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:31 am

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I REPEAT:

If he was scum having caught a scum from the other team, he would have been crazy vocal about it and would have done everything in his power to have me lynched from the get go and be a hero.

BUT we had to beg him to claim.

Does that make sense?
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:31 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:even if I were scum, which I am not, I am vanilla, so he'd be dead for lying about my role no matter what, and certainly because of my alignment.
What lie would that be? He only claimed to have tracked you to SC
People!!! Start thinking... please.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm vanilla, so he couldn't have tracked me to anybody at all. So he'd be dead.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm town, and he'd be dead X 2.

As the last remaining scum he has nothing to gain from his lie. He gets you lynched and you flip town he's dead. You flip scum he gets town points and possibility to live longer.

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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:32 am

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ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Someone else explain it please... I can't take it anymore.

That's why I'm not a kindergarten teacher.
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:33 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:I REPEAT:

If he was scum having caught a scum from the other team, he would have been crazy vocal about it and would have done everything in his power to have me lynched from the get go and be a hero.

BUT we had to beg him to claim.

Does that make sense?
This doesn't clear you as town. Budja is terrible as scum if you want a link to a recent game where he is scum I would be happy to show you how poorly he played. It was one of the reasons I started to suspect he was scum in the first place
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:37 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Someone else explain it please... I can't take it anymore.

That's why I'm not a kindergarten teacher.
You using this theory to proclaim this makes you town is what I don't get.
It's ridiculous. You still think I'm scum bussing my own scum partners and the fact people believe that drivel is sad. I sure as heck wasn't trying to get vaya lynched during the devotress lynch.
The only 2 players not on either wagon was dramonic and cruc. Its the only reason I haven't changed my vote.
If cruc flips scum, gg, I shake budja and asked what the hell was he thinking with that weak claim.
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:38 am

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Look, your argument that you're town because you're town, DGB.

I'm not saying I believe budja, but you're certainly not cleared.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:41 am

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TonyMontana wrote:Look, your argument that you're town because you're town, DGB.

I'm not saying I believe budja, but you're certainly not cleared.
Thank god it's not just me
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:50 am

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TonyMontana wrote:I'm not saying I believe budja, but you're certainly not cleared.
I am pretty much cleared of having a power role that targets people - unless you want to believe that I targeted a player, and that Budja lied and said I targeted the dead guy.

I could be vanilla of the other scum team.

But to give credence to Budja's claim that I targeted the dead player, now, that's really... not very bright, or scummy. There's no way that he behaved as if I had targeted the dead player. So you have to KNOW that he was lying about this result.

Are you two getting it now???
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:00 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:There's no way that he behaved as if I had targeted the dead player. So you have to KNOW that he was lying about this result.

Are you two getting it now???
All I'm getting is that you insist on being confirmed, when you're not.
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:10 am

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TonyMontana wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:There's no way that he behaved as if I had targeted the dead player. So you have to KNOW that he was lying about this result.

Are you two getting it now???
All I'm getting is that you insist on being confirmed, when you're not.
No, I'm insisting that farside's premise, which is that Budja's so-called result is to believed, is wrong.
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:20 am

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And all I'm saying that there's 2 options:

You are Vanilla, budja lied.

You are Scum, and budja tracked you.


Whether or not the last option is probable, is one issue: Just don't deny that it's possible.
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:22 am

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No.

Those are the options.

I am town, Budja lied about his result.

I am scum, Budja lied about his result.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:25 am

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NO

But there *are* three options.

You are town, budja lied

You are scum, budja lied

You are scum, budja truth'd
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:49 am

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TonyMontana wrote:You are scum, budja truth'd
THAT IS
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an option.

I want to to actually think about it. Explaining it to you is not working.
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:24 am

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Your explanation is that budja would have acted differently if he had actually seen you target SC.

Well that's solid, ain't it?

There's not even a slight possibility budja could have slow rolled? (disregarding what you know about yourself)
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