Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Yosarian2]

Hmm. Ok.

Netropolis, Zach (I realize you might not be here): If you both could explain the cases against you and then give a defense for them, it would help me greatly.

[Yosarian2]

And we need a real majority to lynch, huh?

If a majority is not reached at deadline, the player with the most votes at the end of the Day will be lynched

Ah, my mistake. Ok, good, at least we won't be no-lynching then.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Camn: There's been plenty of time for Zach to defend himself. He came on pretty much everytime I voted him to explain his reasons for doing what he did. So it's not as if this wagon sprang up suddenly. It's just that someone else's bandwagon (cough cough) took up most of the attention...

[Haylen]

What if no one was voting? Would it be a no lynch or a lynch in alphabetical order? If so, great! Right in the middle of the alphabet...

[Incognito]

Vote Count #18 of Day 1

*Netopalis (5) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen, Glork, camn
Zachrulez (5) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390, Netopalis, Gayle, SaintKerrigan
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (1) <-~ Yosarian2

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Netopalis]

Yos: Here's my defense:

The arguments against me, as I understand them, started out as a reaction to my dislike of early bandwagons - a position best left to MD. This then snowballed into an extended discussion of theory which were responses to direct questions from Glork and KMD. These were later termed as "White noise" by many players in the game. I've also been accused of not doing enough scumhunting on my own. This is an admitted problem, but traditionally, I've been pretty bad at D1. Also, I really haven't had room to get a word in edgewise, given all the "OMG! NETO IS SCUM!" crap that's been flying around, most of it unjustified.

Glork has attacked me (Although he's only recently made these points clear) for attacking Ellibereth early after her replacement in and for attacking anyone that disagreed with me. Ellibereth's play is illogical and follows from the opinions of others. I find that scum basically copy other peoples' opinions, then ride on coattails to get ahead, much like he is doing. As for the attacking people who disagree with me, I attack anyone who actively tries to lynch someone on such a sub-par case. There is practically no logical justification for lynching me that would not be more fitting to lynch another player in the game. White noise? Ellibereth. Attacking those who attack you? Maemuki, Glork and KMD. No original scumhunting? Netlava, Ellibereth, Zach and many, many others.

[Haylen]

We have two hours til deadline O.o

[Glork]

Attacking those who attack you?

Maemuki,

Glork

and KMD.

Okay, now you're definitely either scum or completely delusional, considering:
A) I attacked KMD before anybody else did;
B) I went after Annachie, who I don't believe ever placed any suspicion on me
C) I've stated my willingness to pressure Zach, who has also not attacked me.


In

no

way do I fit into the "attacking those who attack you" category. You've got nothing on me, because you know I've got you pinned, so you just arbitrarily put me into one of those three blanket categories.

[Glork]

EBWOP: D) I also grilled and voted Mae to get her to talk, and she hasn't attacked me. (In fact, she called me protown when I attacked her, so SHE doesn't fit into that category as well.)



You're making shit up at this point. You need to hang.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, I'm doing a quick skim-through here. I'm sure I'm missing all kinds of stuff,
but hopefully I can get somewhere before the day ends.

Page 1-2: KMD seems town to me. Random bandwagon on Bogre. Netopolis opposed random wagon, gets attacked for it by KMD
and others.

Page 3: I don't really have a problem with Netropolis's play so far. About the only thing I can say about is that if Bogre is
scum Netropolis might be scum with him.

Page 4: KMD/ Netopolis fight continues. I'm pretty confident KMD is town. Netopolis could also be town; he dosn't really
sound scummy to me, but all that theory related stuff is easy to fake as scum.

Page 6:

I'm completely naked right now...

Lol.

On a side note, I don't agree with Glork's his attacks on KMD, but I'm not going to claim to have any kind of read on Glork right now.

Page 7:

DERP DERP

That was a really funny post, Gayle. Do you think Ellibereth is scum for voting you like that, or are you just screwing
around?

KMD was flailing for a while, but he seems to have gotten back under control.

Hmm? I don't think KMD was flailing at all, I think he knew exactly what he was doing and was doing it well.
What did you mean, netro?

Page 8:

Astonishing post, Ellibereth. Your little cartoon explains everything.

Everything.

Unvote, Vote: Ellibereth

I said it last game, and I'll say it again - shape up, take the game seriously and post
original content or face the noose.

I like this post. Garfield is a scum tell.

Seriously, if I had been in the game at this point, I likely would have voted Elilibereth myself, especially after
he declared Netopalis scum for voting him.

Although Glork's defense of Ellibereth here at the end of the is interesting, and is making me doubt that a bit.

Page 9:

I'm less confident about Neto now. I dislike the whole "Let's lynch Ellibereth because if he is town
it dosn't hurt us as badly" argument. I've seen scum use that too much to justify pushing a lynch they know is bad.

Page 10: I don't think Glork's vote on Mae was random, and he's saying it's not, so I'm a bit confused why he felt
he had to go find and example where he random voted on page 10 as town. I don't mind votes without reasons, personally,
but the fact he gave that meta-defense seems a bit odd to me. Glork?

[Glork]

Page 10: I don't think Glork's vote on Mae was random, and he's saying it's not, so I'm a bit confused why he felt
he had to go find and example where he random voted on page 10 as town. I don't mind votes without reasons, personally,
but the fact he gave that meta-defense seems a bit odd to me. Glork?

Someone accused me of random-voting on Page 10, and it reminded me of FTF, so I posted as such. I intended it as a completely innocuous statement (by the way, I've done that before!), not as a defense of any kind.

As I recall, I didn't even say I did it "as town," so there was no meta/defense involved. I was just stating that it's not unheard of.

[Netopalis]

Yos: Looking back, flailing probably wasn't the best word. I meant that his posts seemed to be making farfetched, drastic attacks once his first few decent points were eliminated.

[Yosarian2]

Page 11: KMD thinks Mae is town. Glork asks Mae a bunch of questions.

Page 12: Not really happy with Gayle's contrabutions so far.

Wow...he's saying he's been contributing so little because he was spending his time writing a program to facilitate note
taking in this game? Lol, that's a new excuse I haven't heard before.

Page 16: Gayle, what was it you read after your ISO post #10 but before your ISO post #13 that made you unvote netlava here?

That'll teach me for voting before becoming caught up.

Unvote

Page 18: Why do people keep calling Net's claim a "hider" claim? Commmuter is a very different role from hider.

Page 20: Yeah, this is scummy:

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

[Yosarian2]

On a side note, Neto, your reluctance to bandwagon early is probably anti-town in a speed game like this. Might not be relevent to your alignment, especally if you really do oppose "bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning" in all your games, but I do want to hear if you think the speed of this game changes that.

Hmm. Honestly, I don't think Neto looks that scummy, but he could very well be scum, and this whole Zach thing makes me wonder if it's a scum-driven counterwagon. The claim dosn't really say much; it's possible, but then again people are right that it's an easy claim for scum to fake.

For the moment, I'm going to

Vote: Gayle

, because he's someone I'm actually suspicous of. Let me go back and read Zach in iso.

[Yosarian2]

Meh. After doing a quick re-read, I'm not happy with the wagon on Zach, either.

Do we have enough people around to hypothetically lynch someone other then the two of them in the next hour?

[Haylen]

im here. but i want a neto lynch.

[Yosarian2]

im here. but i want a neto lynch.

Ok, why?

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm here. Who were you thinking about lynching, Yos?

[Gayle]

I'll be here for the hour.

[SaintKerrigan]

Happy birthday, Gayle!

[Gayle]

Wow...he's saying he's been contributing so little because he was spending his time writing a program to facilitate note
taking in this game? Lol, that's a new excuse I haven't heard before.

No, I was explaining why it was taking so long for me to catch up reading the thread. As I said, I'd only been making the program for a few minutes.

Happy birthday, Gayle!

Thanks.

[Yosarian2]

I'm here. Who were you thinking about lynching, Yos?

Well, I'm still working on that.

Between Zach and Neto, I'd rather lynch neto, I think, but I'd like a third option.

Let's see...people in the game:

* Yosarian2 (replaced Annachie D1) v
* Haylen v
* SaintKerrigan v
* Netopalis v
* camn v
* Netlava
* Bogre v
* Gayle
* Glork v
* Zachrulez v
* Ellibereth
* Kmd4390 v
* Maemuki v

People I defiantly do not want to lynch today:
Haylen
Saint
Glork
KMD

People I have mixed feelings on (in no special order):
Zach
Netropolis
camn
Bogre
Maemuki

People I'd be happy lynching today:
Netlava
Gayle
Ellibereth

[Netopalis]

Deadline's in 54 minutes, we're not going to be able to get one of the people you'd be happy with lynching today... (As much as I would like to)

[Yosarian2]

Actually...correction, doing a quick look at her posts, I'm going to move Mae down to the bottom catagory. I see no reason in her posts to not lynch her.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'd be very happy with a Netlava lynch instead of a Zach lynch. Don't know if we can pull it off though...