DarkLightA wrote:
SerialClergyman wrote:DLA, mind expanding on that read there? Is it your experience that town players tend to be disaffected?
Put it this way..
There's about 10 townies.
There's 2 scum.
Which team would need you more actively?
Ugh. Moral of the story is if you are posting often and searching for scum you're scummy and if you wanted to avoid suspicion you should lurk? If you even looked for 10 seconds you'll see I'm very active in all my games. You'll also see that Kise is typically not particularly active in most of his games. But even aside from that concern, if you choose between me and Kise based on activity and choose ME as the scum, I can only shake my head in disbelief.
Who do you think my partner is if I"m scum? Would you vote for kise?
Ojanen - I get what you are saying. I understand the paranoia, and I'm actually a big fan of judging people based on different criteria (as Hoopla found out in a recent game). So you know, no worries. The only thing I'd vaugely object to is your use of arguments about what I am doing vs what I should be doing - the reasoning that ran if we lynch town I'm likely to be the next lynch. Your careful approach works for you for catching scum, but every time I've done that I've made long, convincing cases on townies with stacks of confirmation bias. My theories often sound somewhat odd and I know other people don't like working in that way, but it's how I roll and the best cahnce I have of finding scum.
Think /inv 4 - you know how hard I pushed for us to lynch tajo. That was L-2. So if he was town, it was lylo and I'd have just pushed really hard to lynch a town power role. There was a good chance I had lost the town the game on a tajo townflip. Of course he was scum and we all lived happily ever after, but I'm aware that the flipside was much less rosy. Still - I don't know any other way to play the game successfully, so I'm going to keep rocking it. In the end, it's not really up to me if I get lynched or not, so I'm focusing on what I can control.
I don't even know why we're banging on about all this actually - back to scumhunting!
Vote kise
. Kise has given me nothing to suggest he's town, pairing hewitt with farside is a transparent attempt to get a mislynch with hewitt. Pairing Ojanen and me is attacking poor old Serial and the person who has done the most to defend him.
@Kise - This liar thing is an issue, but mainly because I couldn't remember arguing that CSL wasn't under pressure. In fact, I think the point is that he WAS under pressure. I find players are way too quick to use words like liar and misrep so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is an importnat point so I'm going to spend a bit of time on it. To start, farside makes this point:
farside wrote:He picked the defeatist route without even defending himself. I mean seriously I read the game that is currently going on and I get the impression he goes out fighting when town over scum just based on meta.
Now just for the game voting for oneself without defending yourself can be looked at as a null but I don't know anyone I can think of who replaces out unless they are sick of mafia. He's still playing other games just fine.
So I think this has been negated just by nature of the fact that CSL has self-hammered in 5 seperate confirmed games apart from this one, twice as town and three times as scum.
But aside from that, I made the point that CSL's self-vote posts look much different. In this game he was downbeat and upset and acknowledged he'd made mistakes.
In the game quoted where he self-hammers as scum, he is quite upbeat, cheerily says you got me and wishes his scum team the best of luck.
SC wrote:Defeatist =/= scummy. It also isn't similar to when he was defeated as scum and was upbeat, jovially said that they got him and cheered on his team.
You (Kise) then challenged not my conclusion, but the circumstances:
kise wrote:CSL did read like defeated scum. He had 3 other players voting for him before his self-vote.
So you've missed the point. The point is that CSL SOUNDS different in his self-hammering posts. They are there for different REASONS. He does this same action as town and as scum, and he does it responding to pressure. Does that make more sense?
I'm old now.
