then u definitely think that Jaime is 100% scum?Leon Dreyfus wrote:It's not gambling if it's a sure thing.
If you want people to beleive you that I'm 100% scum you have to give proof. When you don't you are doing 2 things.Leon wrote:Fine, have it your way. I'm 100% though, there's no way he's not.
Deadline in on jan 14 (in one week) so we're notClaude wrote:is deadline really so close?
You probably should have been clearer on that.Jaime wrote:
177: Again, I did not think he was town. There is a very big differance between something that is beleivable and actually beleiving it. Stuart claimed bp. I thought that it was a beleivable claim (meaning that it's not some weird thing he probably made up like a secret daycop) but I was not willing to beleive it until he could prove me otherwise. I know that was a very bad post after looking back again and that it does look like a fencesit but whatev, there's nothing I can do about it now.
Mod meta. Malt plays Tar games. Tar games explicitly use red and green as base colors and different colors for third parties. And if someone died and it said "Person (Cop)", in red, I'd assume a scum cop.Jaime wrote:
319: Flip color? Really? This is a really bad point. Color does not tell someone what faction they belonged to. Mods can use any color they fucking want. For example, If someone died and it said "Hypothetical person (Cop)" in red (as that seems to be the most used scum color) would you think he was scum or a townie? What most people look at (at least me anyway) is thae flavor text and the flip name.
We're reaching theory argument at this point. I don't think I can convince you of that being a bad tactic, nor can you convince me it's a good one. I'll accept it for the time being.Jaime wrote:
404: Which is why I put the placeholder vote on Leon. I also look for overall scumminess, not just one scummy thing that they do. Of course if that one scummy thing is big enough I will look at them closely (which I did for Leon and Emile at that point) or vote them if it is rediculously scummy.
Derp, meant 429Jaime wrote:
430: This is Leons post.
WIFOM. I don't see how your vote was at all hurting town.Jaime wrote:
439: I took my vote off because obviously I wasn't helping out the town with it at all and I was possibly hurting the town. Now why would a townie purposefully hurt the town? (Also, this is overall just a reworded summary of what I said in my response because I can't think of any other way to explain it better. If you still don't understand I'm sure I could think of something).
Unless we, yanno, no lynch.Leon wrote: And claiming now because it's endgame, and it's worthless to try and hide roles at this point.
Bit eager to win as scum, are we?Leon wrote: Smart, because it narrows down the lynch. I REFUSE A NO LYNCH TODAY! HoS: Edward Dear lord, pushing it without trying is not smart. NO NO LYNCH UNTIL THE DAY ENDS. We can scum hunt up until then. Geezus.
Missed this. Jaime, do you realize how terribly scummy this makes you look? Honestly, if it weren't for MY role PM I'd be voting you now.Jaime wrote: Did your role PM say you were a "Merely avarage aquanaut" or what because the whole "Merely" thing just seems out of place.
Given the other players, I think you are the least of my worries. Or second least. I think your assessment was accurate.Andrew wrote: Like you said yourself, Igor was saying a lot of crazy stuff and looked like he definitely deserved a vote. At the time, I felt that Emile was scummy but that Igor was even scummier.
Why do you make me facepalm? What does meta have to do with a WIFOM argument for innocence?Jaime wrote: While i do agree it could be considered scummy and something scum would use, I personally don't think it should be considered scummy unless you have more to go off on. From my point of veiw, just one time is not enough to build a solid case on it.
Instead of being able to go DIRECTLY FOR THE WIN by getting Igor lynched? Really? Are you REALLY arguing that instead of going for a viable lynch that would WIN SCUM THE GAME, that Jaime would throw that away for shaky town cred?Leon Dreyfus wrote:Cleverly timed bus vote is all I can pretty much say.
This... This is IT? THIS is the reason you're "100% sure" I'm scum. Sigh. Anyway, I really don't feel like reading through another wall (I'm bored ok?) So if you (Spencer) yould direct me to the places you want me to respond to I'd be more than happy to, I just don't feel like going through one of these againLeon wrote:Cleverly timed bus vote is all I can pretty much say.
It isn't, no, but there's one kink in your works. The Igor wagon wasn't about to die. It was at L-1 and was only slightly slowing. Just a little more pushing would have finished it, honestly. So, why would he suddenly bus his buddy when a perfectly good counter wagon FOR THE WIN was there?Leon wrote:
Also, Spencer, are you familiar with the phrase dumb or scum? If he knows Igor's wagon wasn't going to go, he would switch and bus his partner. To where a tunnel would be formed on his towniness. Not that hard of a concept, and if it is so, you are falling for it as planned.
Which could be critical, honestly.If we no lynch today, we're back at the same point we are today with relatively no extra information other than PoE.
In terms of balance it depends what the indy does.Indies do not typically count towards the scum.
Obviously. So, why are you pushing to lynch someone who has a decent probability of being town? And decide to mold ALL the evidence to fit what is becoming a desperate view?Leon wrote: If we lynched town today, and town gets killed tonight. We're done for.
It has to be Claude. And remember, getting an Igor lynch was a win. It would not surprise me if all three scum were on that lynch.Andrew wrote:
@Spencer - If Leon is one of the last 2 remaining scum, who do you think his partner would be? I would have said Claude, but I think it highly unlikely that all 3 scum would sit on Igor.
Good point, and Claude did unvote Igor immediately after seeing the votecount that only had him, Leon and Emile voting for Igor followed by his eventual hammer of Emile.Spencer wrote:It has to be Claude. And remember, getting an Igor lynch was a win. It would not surprise me if all three scum were on that lynch.
Sorry to tell you this but... your gut is wrong. Even supposing I am scumthere is no way right now that I am 100% scum. Also, I REALLY don't like how you're basing your vote mainly on your gut. This is extremely scummy.Leon wrote:No, Jaime, my gut tells me you're 100% scum.
I beleive stuart was a bp...Andrew wrote:Stuart was right about Emile and he may have been a day-cop
This is one of the flaws of the plan. Unles you're absolutely sure that me and Leon are on opposite teams then we can't safely carry out this plan. I've seen many times where a townie got lynched just because "Well, since they disagree with each other so much they can't possibly be on the same team" where in reality, the town tends to go at each others throats all the time.Spencer wrote:Odd are, one of Jaime or Leon is scum.
It is not. The way I see it, we have only 1 or 2 scum alive. However, since the town almost always has to assume the worst out of any situations (unless it just doesn't make sense of courseSpencer wrote:And Claude DOES bring up a good point. How is it certain we lose if we lynch wrong today?
). Therefore, the town has to assume that we have 2 scum alive right now. Also, like Leon said, the most likely amount of scum alive is 2. You CANNOT BE SCUM with another player unless you are COLOSSALLY retarded and like throwing away wins. You are either lone scum or town. LEON, however, would have to be scum with another player (or alone). Therefore, I conclude that we should no lynch today, lynch Leon tomorrow, and if he flips scum, lynch Claude in endgame, or if he flips town, lynch you in endgame.Jaime wrote:
The other flaw is, like Leon said, if we lynch wrong we lose. Since we have to assume the worst we are at mylo today and we will be at lylo tomorrow (unless somehow one of the scum dies tonight) meaning that if we lynch town today or tomorrow... town loses.
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