Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

[Amished]

Sorry Raskol, I phrased my question wrong. If you had replaced in 2 days ago, now; would you have seen that we were out of the RVS and not placed a random vote?

chauchau seems to have the same line of thought that I do on the tone of the game as well. While the doubling up of questions is concerning; at least I'll be able to see if there's something that she doesn't catch and wonder why.

[Amished]

@Mod: Also, Sajin would be better than The Inquisition if he's waiting to come into the game >_>

[chauchaudotcom]

Aside from the doubling up of VP's question which one are you talking about?

[Amished]

My 82 followed by your 84 seems rather close. (Yes, 82 doesn't have a question, but I'm trying to lead her down my avenue of thought, evidenced by the later post of mine in 93. I missed your question in 63 the first time which is why I asked what I did in 72.

The questioning of Starbuck about her reaction to Raivs vote is the primary thing that we seem to be on the same line of thought about.

@Raskol: WRT post 108: You state that you have experience with 6 people here, but Anon is the only one you feel comfortable putting out a meta defense of. Why did you single him out, and how much experience do you have with him? Right now I'm guessing just 1 game since that's all you mentioned and that's your primary evidence for it.

[xRECKONERx]

I feel as though only a small portion of the playerlist has actually posted.

ITP: no content.

[Raskol]

Starbuck

---fair enough, just making sure. In the future I'd be more than happy with just an acknowledgment that you'll get around to it when you have more time (as VP did)---as long as you really do, of course. =P

Amished

---My experience with Anon is more relevant as of this moment because he's playing very differently than I saw him play as scum. That's enough to give me an initial town-lean, though I won't let it become an excuse for him if he does something that pushes him the other way.

The rest of you haven't done anything that strongly pushes me one way or the other as far as a meta read, though there are non-meta things that have caught my eye about a few people.

As for your question, I wouldn't have made a random vote 2 days ago either.

chauchau

---I find meta to be very useful. Mafia is a game of figuring out people's motivations, and the better you know them the better you can do that. It's not infallible, but then, nothing is.

[Amished]

@Raskol: If he (Anon) is playing differently from his meta (as scum) then either he's town or he's aware of his meta and is intentionally subverting it, right? How aware do you think that he is about how he acts as different factions?

[Raskol]

@Raskol: If he (Anon) is playing differently from his meta (as scum) then either he's town or he's aware of his meta and is intentionally subverting it, right? How aware do you think that he is about how he acts as different factions?

I have no way of knowing that, just as I have no way of knowing when anyone is faking anything I consider a tell. If I go down that path, I might as well just get the dice out right now.

[Amished]

lol true enough. I was hoping for a more ... substantial isn't the right word but it's close, lean on your read.

If you could pick it up in the first 3 pages though, what was so different that you saw?

[Devestation]

Uh how was this defending him? It was more like an obvious pointing out that we should not give Rai a "oh I didn't read it" pass which you and Dev seem so inclined to do. The reason why I was pretty sure I answered in my post. "(his questioning of hellfire, his remark that his vote was both random but serious at the same time)".

I challenge the notion that I gave him a "didn't read it pass". I merely left all options open, to ensure no mistakes were made.

[dramonic]

Just wanted to say I'm FINALLY back from vacation.
Gonna read up and stuff :3

[Raivann]

Raivann--- Pretend deadline is now. Who is most likely to be scum, to the best of your knowledge?

probly Hellnfire & chauch.
Hell because I don't think Anon's posts were confusing and his unvote seems fishythefish to me.

Chauch because her questions seem fake.

I don't believe that answered the question. How did she nail what you were doing with your vote? What were you looking for in her responses?

Actually it did. The question was what I liked about her responses.
I already answered first question.
Are you just asking questions to ask questions?
I was looking for a certain poetic rhythm in her response, not.
I was looking for scumtells, What do you think I was looking for?
And It wasn't just her responses I'm looking at, it's everyones.
Kinda like how Amished is trying to imply that it's somehow scummy to make a random vote on page 3 with my first post. But right now now i'm chalking that up to Amished not having a sense of humor.

[Amished]

I was not born with a sense of humor. At least not after the first page.

[Raivann]

Raskol--- Pretend deadline is now. Who is most likely to be scum, to the best of your knowledge?

[Raskol]

lol true enough. I was hoping for a more ... substantial isn't the right word but it's close, lean on your read.

If you could pick it up in the first 3 pages though, what was so different that you saw?

One thing I do know is that if there's anything that's guaranteed to make my meta reads worthless, it's telling everyone what I'm looking for. So how about I link you to the game and you decide for yourself if you agree that what's there supports a (slight, initial) town read in this game for Anon?

Anon's ISO for that game.

Raivann---based purely on the information I have now, I would say Hell, followed by VP Baltar. If it were deadline I would want to lynch them, in that order of preference.

[Raskol]

Just wanted to say I'm FINALLY back from vacation.
Gonna read up and stuff :3

Hmmm.

unvote, vote: HellnFire666

request prod/replacement for The Inquisition

[Amished]

O.o That's a hell of a difference.

Unvote
Vote: Raivann

So far, he's basically done nothing original (bandwagon vote and the Raskol question). I think he's just copying people that he knows are protown.

[VP Baltar]

Just an update, I'm going to try and post something here today, but I have another game in intense lylo at the moment so I can't make guarantees. If I don't manage something significant today, it will be tomorrow. Anything after that and you can feel free to wagon the hell out of me for lurking.

[chauchaudotcom]

My 82 followed by your 84 seems rather close.

I was the one who questioned her initially so it's only fair I do a followup on my questioning. You posting before me was simply because you were online before me.

I challenge the notion that I gave him a "didn't read it pass". I merely left all options open, to ensure no mistakes were made.

Fair enough.

Are you just asking questions to ask questions?

No. I was talking about the second question.

Q: What about Starbucks responses did you like?
Q: She pretty much nailed what I was doing with my vote

But I just realized I read it wrong. =/ I thought you meant that she simply responded in a manner that was satisfactory to what your vote was attempting to achieve. But after re-reading your statement I realize you were talking about her defense for your vote.

Kinda like how Amished is trying to imply that it's somehow scummy to make a random vote on page 3 with my first post.

I found it odd too though.

Raskol - Why VP as a second?

I think he's just copying people that he knows are protown.

Where was he 'copying' people? Post #s please.

[xRECKONERx]

Amished - given your vote on Raivann and your reasoning, do you think my play is similar to Raivann's? What makes him a more likely scum candidate?

[Amished]

His vote on a wagon, apparently for wagoning's sake (read: Anon in 21, Raiv in 58, and then with Raiv's reasoning in 99 (looking for responses by bandwagoning) pretty much exactly mirrors Anon's (likes to bandwagon in 29/40).

His question to Raskol (138) that Raskol asked to a couple other people (109).

@chau: My questioning of Anon in 30 isn't the start of a line of questioning about the whole situation I suppose?

For the thing about Raiv's vote: I knew we were out of the RVS. Starbuck knew that we were out of the RVS (which didn't actually matter as she questioned an RVS vote by Anon). Somebody that didn't have a post yet and replaced in (Raskol) knew that the game was out of the RVS. That's just people I asked. If so many people knew that we were out of the RVS, why would you put out a random vote? He even said it was serious *afterwards* for looking for reactions; and not random.

Yes, there's two veins in there. Starbuck's questioning of one RVS vote and not another (since she read Raiv's as RVS as well) and Raiv's not reading all 2.5 pages of the game and knowing that we're not random. Can I not talk to a brick wall here?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm, good point. What are your thoughts on Anon?

[The Inquisition]

I completely forgot I was in this game. My sincere apologies. I'll read up and post my thoughts in the next couple of hours (you can yell mean things at me if I do not).

[Amished]

@xRx: I don't really see a lot of parallels. You've bandwagoned, yes. However, with your Anon vote it also came with an unvote signaling to me (at least) that it was for a reason. You've also stuck with your bandwagon, while Raiv jumped off when he was questioned the slightest bit about it.

(What is your reasoning for your read on Anon *or* Starbuck, given your outright stance on them?)

[Amished]

About Anon: I don't like how he's disappeared, but there's a multitude of reasons for that. The ISO from the other game is enough to warrant giving him time in this one to see if he'll participate further.