Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Bogre]

Also, Ellibereth, I would like a list of who you think is just making 'noise', and also give a justification as to why your own posts are not noise.

[Annachie]

No Bogre. I want to be held accountable, especially for my votes. THat's why I haven't voted.

When I vote, there will be a reason for it.

Neto, and by extension Neto/Elli, have made a lot of (probably) white noise. Meta gives me a good town feeling for Elli. The main town thing I had for Neto, Neto negated himself so back I go for a second look.

[Annachie]

Bah, FUBARed the quote tags. Take two:

Glork, did you really throw out a random vote at this stage of the game? We aren't in RVS anymore.

Do you think my vote was random?

Given that you haven't provided a logical explanation for your vote, and you did provide a silly one, I'll have to go with yes (unless you explain otherwise).

Glork, that was a beautiful vote, once I figured out the reason.

[Maemuki]

Yay for tunneling, Netlava! And that's not content imo. Post more. What do you think about other players?

[Incognito]

Vote Count #11 of Day 1

*Netopalis (5) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Kmd4390, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre
Ellibereth (2) <-~ Netopalis, camn
Netlava (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie, Maemuki, Gayle

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Maemuki]

Oh, and Netlava, that fact can be explained by this:

Haylen's the only one I have been playing with since the beginning. Therefore, I wanted to see if I improved or not.

And Haylen's not stupid enough to completely forget about a player as scum. I know it, I played with her as scum at least three times.

[Glork]

Couple of nice mis-reps there, but If I'm not willing to be held accountable for the reason for my vote, then I shouldn't vote.
Voting with no reason, or for "Shites and giigles" is not helpful because there's nothing you can be held accountable for if you're wrong.

So you:
A) Don't want to be held accountable for anything yourself.
B) Want to hold others accountable for their votes, and dislike it if they aren't.

That is, I believe, the definition of scum play.

Agree, wholeheartedly. If you're going to hide behind "not-voting," I'm going to treat every FoS, every word of dislike as the equivalent of a vote.


Protown players want 100% traceability. They are willing to be held accountable for anything and everything they say, as significant or insignificant as it may seem. And that is because they have NOTHING to hide. Your insinuation that you can be excused from critical analysis or from the responsibility of looking for scum, just because you haven't slapped down an official vote, is ridiculous. You are just as responsible for your voiced suspicions as I am for my voiced suspicions, whether either of us has voted or not.

In fact, more often than not, the ability to find scum is not merely in voting patterns, but in reading between those lines. Some would argue that suspicions not backed up by votes are MORE significant than those coupled with votes.


That said, I want you to give me a quick sentence or two (or more) about each player and how scummy they are.

[Kmd4390]

Neto, 273, I was looking around while I was voting you. I suspected Mae at the time and Netlava too. You should be able to find this in my post history if you look. I don't think I was ever tunneling.

Mae, question. Have you ever been scum before?

Gayle making a program looks like a newbtowntell to me.

Oh, and incidentally, Incognito, V/LA from roughly midnight tonight to 8 PM tomorrow. I'll be driving from WV to Georgia.

If one day is V/LA, I should have said something yesterday.

Zach in 326 makes my gut twitch a little.

On Neto vs El, Page 14, it's a playstyle dispute. Not necessarily a tell one way or the other on either player. El seems to get this. Neto doesn't. To be honest, the argument has me second guessing my read on Neto. Like he actually sees El as scum. But then again, he could be scum who is frustrated at being suspected and OMGUSing El. My mind is a mess trying to figure this out.

I can actually follow Netlava's thought process in 350. I don't agree with it, but I can follow it.

Still trying to figure out what's up with Netlava's obsession with Mae. Still like my vote on Neto. With 2 days to deadline and Neto's wagon being the leading wagon, at L-2, a claim some time soon would probably be appropriate.

[Kmd4390]

Good lord, it's only 12 pages. You should be able to finish it in like, 40 minutes? And that's for super slow readers.

The last 5 pages just took me around 45 minutes.

[Maemuki]

Mae, question. Have you ever been scum before?

Let me see...Once...Twice...nah, don't count that one. And there was another one.

Two. I prefer to imagine that one of them does not exist.

The last 5 pages just took me around 45 minutes.

Some people read faster, others read slower, so?

[SaintKerrigan]

Netlava: What is your opinion on Netopalis? Scum? Town? Why?

Maemuki: What is your opinion on Netopalis? Scum? Town? Why? On a side note, got any cookies?

[Haylen]

Can I have a cookie? Anyone got any questions for me? Mae, MSN please.

[Maemuki]

Maemuki: What is your opinion on Netopalis? Scum? Town? Why? On a side note, got any cookies? Very Happy

...I...don't really know...he's quite hard to read imo. I'll return to this when I'm a bit less sleepy. But his refusal to claim at L-2 on a speed game is a bit weird-ish.

And no, no cookies this time. Want donuts?

[SaintKerrigan]

Maemuki: What is your opinion on Netopalis? Scum? Town? Why? On a side note, got any cookies? Very Happy

...I...don't really know...he's quite hard to read imo. I'll return to this when I'm a bit less sleepy. But his refusal to claim at L-2 on a speed game is a bit weird-ish.

And no, no cookies this time. Want donuts?

Shoot! There goes my perfect trap! But sure, I'll take a donut. They're town tells, right?

I don't find his refusal to claim all that weird. He's at L-2 for reasons that I feel he shouldn't be at L-2 for. I don't think it's the right time for him to claim, if he should need to claim at all.

Btw, Haylen is scum. She wants cookies. You know what that means, right?

[Maemuki]

Yes. Cookies = scum. >:(

Oh is that so SK? Why do you find Neto townish? (I assuming you meant this. if not, correct me)

[SaintKerrigan]

So far, the arguments I've seen against him have been related to theory (which we shouldn't lynch him over), and I'm getting frustrated townie vibes off of him rather than frustrated scum.

[camn]

I tend to agree with SK regarding netopolis.

[Netlava]

I don't find netopalis scummy currently.

[Maemuki]

I don't find netopalis scummy currently.

Good to know! Any thoughts on the remaining 10 players?

[Glork]

I don't find netopalis scummy currently.

Good to know! Any thoughts on the remaining 10 players?

Shh.... baby steps. Baby steps.


I could hop to a Zachwagon, but I still want Neto to claim.

[Maemuki]

Shh.... baby steps. Baby steps.

Fiiine. What's your opinion on one player that is not me, Neto or yourself?

[Netlava]

Good to know! Any thoughts on the remaining 10 players?

More importantly, what are your thoughts on who is scum?

[Maemuki]

More importantly, what are your thoughts on who is scum?

If I say "you until you answer my question", will you be mad?

[SaintKerrigan]

Unvote: Netlava. Vote: Zachrulez.

Come here and play, Zach.

[Haylen]

Lol. Good luck. Zach isnt even on AIM, let alone MS.