Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Netlava]

It seems to be a fairly common complaint nowadays that I don't post enough content. Well, I do try to post some content to let townies know what I'm thinking, but I don't like to point out everything the moment I see it. Also, I was not "copying" kmd earlier in the game. It's fairly pointless for me to copy another player.

My reasons for my vote on maemuki were:

Something about Neto's & Haylen's posts (referring to mae) make me think Maemuki is scummy, plus the fact that Maemuki apologized in her first post.

What is this "something," you ask? My reasoning was that Haylen's interpretation of Neto's post, "Don't bother bandwagoning," differed from mine. When I read that quote, I interpreted it as a

general

statement on bandwagons.

Haylen, on the other hand, said:

I find it suspicious that Neto doesnt think it is worth bandwagoning

Mae

.

Which differs from my interpretation because it is referring to maemuki

in particular

.

At the time, I felt that both Neto & Haylen had links to maemuki and the fact that maemuki apologized (a slight scumtell, imo) lead me to vote for her. I also didn't want to immediately make accuse people of links on page 1 and decided to think about it more instead.

Now, however, I do find it scummy that Haylen misinterpreted Neto's statement. The problem is that Haylen's interpretation requires her to accept the

belief

that Neto didn't want a bandwagon

on maemuki

. I believe that a townie wouldn't immediately make such an assumption because a townie wouldn't have an opinion of maemuki at that point in the game.

Simply put, I think that Haylen's post was based on inside information and that Haylen found Neto "suspicious" simply because she's scum with maemuki.

Maemuki, shortly after, continued to make statements that I found scummy. Not going into specifics here, some of these concerns I had I realized were misguided, so I temporarily took a step back to think about it more. When I unvote, it is for me to maintain objectivity above everything else.

However, one thing that stuck out to me that I couldn't explain was the following post:

*claps slowly* Way to go - Saint is voting your town read and Haylen is voting with you. Bravo, bravo.

Here, it is not so much the sarcasm that I found scummy, but the fact that she so casually brushes off the remainder of kmd's reads. I don't know exactly what she's suggesting - that kmd's reads weren't accurate or what? What's clear was that maemuki in that post indicates that she has a problem with kmd's reads at that point.

I'm not caught up yet at the time of this post so it's quite dated, but I am going to read the thread now.

[SaintKerrigan]

Argh, I'm not in a good mood right now. Nothing to do with this game. I'm gonna stop posting for the night. See y'all tomorrow.

[Haylen]

Now, however, I do find it scummy that Haylen misinterpreted Neto's statement. The problem is that Haylen's interpretation requires her to accept the belief that Neto didn't want a bandwagon on maemuki. I believe that a townie wouldn't immediately make such an assumption because a townie wouldn't have an opinion of maemuki at that point in the game.

So what? Yes, I interpret things differently to other people. Does that make me scum? No Does that make me human? Yes. People interpret things differently based on how they think, I think differently to most people and I'm NOT going to be lynched because someone decided they want to lynch me cause I'm different.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #10 of Day 1

*Netopalis (5) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Kmd4390, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre
Ellibereth (3) <-~ Gayle, Netopalis, camn
Netlava (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie, Netlava, Maemuki

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Haylen]

Hi Incog. How are you?

[Netlava]

Ok, I'm caught up and here's my remaining thoughts, for now.

Now please do a PBPA on me. There are 13 players, you spoke about 11, 1 of them is you, I am the only one you ignored. :<

I find it strange that maemuki repeatedly asks Haylen to do a pbpa on her.

So what? Yes, I interpret things differently to other people. Does that make me scum? No Does that make me human? Yes. People interpret things differently based on how they think, I think differently to most people and I'm NOT going to be lynched because someone decided they want to lynch me cause I'm different.

Yeah, some people think differently, but in that instance, you would have to have an opinion on maemuki in order to make such an interpretation.

Vote: Maemuki

[Haylen]

Not really. I thought that Neto had to have inside knowledge to think it not worth bandwagoning her, hence my interpretation of it.

[Annachie]

Haylen. You should read my sig. Really.
You're PBPA of me makes me think that you haven't read my posts properly. Especially the post you skipped over, iso #6

[Netlava]

Not really. I thought that Neto had to have inside knowledge to think it not worth bandwagoning her, hence my interpretation of it.

I'm not sure. You would have to assume that Neto was referring to maemuki though, whereas with my interpretation, I don't assume anything.

[Haylen]

*shrugs* you're all scum until proven overwise, in my opinion. I don't scum hunt. I town hunt. It's way way easier.

So basically, Annachie, my PBPA showed me to be innattentive, disorganised, forgetful and several over things I just got from a personality quiz, lol. PBPA's show me nothing but a persons personality, aswell as their opinions on players if done correctly. I don't believe you could get an alignment from a PBPA.

[Gayle]

Not exactly caught up yet, but I'm on board with the Netlava bandwagon. I will definitely catch up sometime tonight. I'll be here until then.

VOTE: Netlava

I don't scum hunt. I town hunt. It's way way easier.

It is also much more stupid.

[Haylen]

I don't scum hunt. I town hunt. It's way way easier.

It is also much more stupid.

Lol, you can't tell me how to play. You have 2 completed games, your first you were lynched Day 2 because you SELF HAMMERED as a townie and then after being lynched on Day One in your second game, you claimed scum, without making a true claim before.

Get your own play sorted out before you say mine is stupid.

[Gayle]

Lol, you can't tell me how to play. You have 2 completed games, your first you were lynched Day 2 because you SELF HAMMERED as a townie and then after being lynched on Day One in your second game, you claimed scum, without making a true claim before.

Get your own play sorted out before you say mine is stupid.

I seem to have forgotten that I should not criticize the strategies of more experienced players no matter how stupid those strategies might be, and for this I am deeply sorry. Rest assured I will never make such a comment as to force you to go reading through my mafia history for a retort ever again. Thank you for reminding me of my place.

[Haylen]

Lol. Bad troll is bad.

[Gayle]

I think I'll just ignore you.

[Haylen]

You should. And whilst your at it, read the thread again. I said a few pages ago I had 150 pages worth of meta on players. I dragged those games up from memory, I didn't go looking for info. Perhaps you'll form proper opinions on people and post them.

[Haylen]

Good night! ^.^

[camn]

Camn, I was saying that if Neto is willing to vote for me because of the comic, why wasn't he willing to vote others for messing around too? He also accused me of having no original content. Methinks Gayle has less. My point was that he chose me over Gayle.

Yet his reasoning for voting YOU was almost identical to YOUR reasoning for voting Gayle.
Which is why You earned my vote. Hypocrisy is no kind of defense.

Hmm.. I was about to unvote you, since I don't have much more of a case than that.. until I noticed that basically your ENTIRE scumlist is voting for you. I don't like that. It reeks of scum. I am not quite sure where the smell is coming from.. but it is somewhere.

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@Gayle:
saying "It is also much more stupid" is not constructive criticism. It helps no one. It says nothing. It is entirely meaningless unless you say WHY it is stupid.
SO.. criticize away.. but try and be useful about it, k?
Your sarcasm doesn't help the town, either.

[Ellibereth]

Meh, I accused them before they voted for me.

[Ellibereth]

Also, I voted Gayle for not commenting on anything.
Neto's voting for me because I'm not expalining everything.
There's a difference.

[Gayle]

That'll teach me for voting before becoming caught up.

Unvote

[Annachie]

I said a few pages ago I had 150 pages worth of meta on players.

Which is of great use if you haven't bothered to read those players properly either.

Garbage in, garbage out.

So basically, Annachie, my PBPA showed me to be innattentive, disorganised, forgetful and several over things I just got from a personality quiz, lol.

No, it shows that you didnt bother to read posts properly, as I said. More, given that you were actually writing an opinion on someones posts, it makes a good case for you having a pre-formed opinion of that person. ie: me.

[Bogre]

Ahm, no. It's closely related to that, but it isn't that. If KMD thinks that Haylen is town, and SK was voting for Haylen, I couldn't see how he thought that they were both town. ?

It's not mutually exclusive- are you still confused about it?

[Bogre]

Hey where's Bogre?

For someone who voted me for having relatively little to say, he hasn't had a lot to say in a while.

... I love playing with hypocrites.

I got stuck traveling without access to a computer.

And the difference between our posts is clear. You post, but you don't -say- anything. You post to post, and to escape the possibility that people don't like you not posting.

You're not contributing anything.

[Bogre]

Couple of nice mis-reps there, but If I'm not willing to be held accountable for the reason for my vote, then I shouldn't vote.
Voting with no reason, or for "Shites and giigles" is not helpful because there's nothing you can be held accountable for if you're wrong.

So you:
A) Don't want to be held accountable for anything yourself.
B) Want to hold others accountable for their votes, and dislike it if they aren't.

That is, I believe, the definition of scum play.