DragonsofSummer wrote:Also if for some reason I get shot before my post, I will be shooting Ortolan tomorrow just so everyone knows.
This strikes me as kind of scummy... Why say this? There would be plenty of time tomorrow, unless he's saying he will auto-shoot (and it seems like he is). The only reason to do that is to threaten town that he'll be a bad gun bearer in order to discourage Bogre from shooting him. I know we had that whole discussion at the end of day 1 with Vala not heeding this kind of thing, but DoS has obviously been skimming so he may still think Bogre would fall for it.
Bogre, what's your read on HackerHuck? I'm surprised to see he didn't rate a mention in your last post.
Bogre wrote:Sarag- Slight
He was really soft towards me day 1
I didn't have anything strong to go on, Bogre. Aggression is really not my style, especially day 1, and with good reason. I was still wrong, even after I thought the evidence against you was stronger.
Bogre wrote:Nachomamma- Heavy
Drake was my top suspect on day 1, but I liked rewq a little better and Nacho even more. Town are definitely capable of poor reasoning, and nacho has seemed to be actively scumhunting, even if I think he's looking in the wrong places. I'm still uncertain because of my strong scum read on Drake and nacho certainly isn't obvtown, but I don't want to see him shot today.
Bogre wrote:HowardRoark-Heavy
I'd be happy with a Howard shot. He still hasn't explained his thought processes adequately, despite posting to address the contradictions, so I'm inclined to go with Yosarian2's interpretation.
Bogre wrote:Noncontributors
DOS, Almaster, Ortolan
They haven't really said anything.
DoS is coasting. I think you should seriously consider shooting him. He needs to be pressured early so we don't get stuck with him in end game having played like this the whole time. Bogre, what do you think of my suggestion of asking him direct questions?
Alamaster could also do with some pressure. He replaced in, so I'm inclined to give him a bit more slack than DoS.
Ortolan has been pretty active, so if you think he hasn't really said anything, then that should be setting off some major alarm bells for you. I don't agree that he hasn't said anything of content, and I've been leaning town on him so far. I've been putting his play down to arrogance and stubbornness, but I would really like it to stop. If he's town, his play isn't helping. Today has been really bad. Ortolan, just because you haven't had an unexpected alignment flip doesn't mean you don't have to re-evaluate your cases. Even if you come to the same conclusion, at least demonstrate that you've tried to test your own theories. I don't believe anyone is such a good scumhunter that they can reliably find the scum day 1, and even if you believe you are that good, you're not convincing anyone with your current play. At least find new evidence to support your cases, and try to avoid confirmation bias.
ortolan wrote:Sarag is a much much much better kill. Look at how perfectly 587 sets you up to misvig Nacho, then for Nacho to successfully vig Sarag, then for us to assume the two of her buddies she named afterwards are town. Wowzor.
OMG I can't believe you cracked my amazing plan! Oh wait, you already decided I was scum before you interpreted my post. Without the sarcasm: Ortolan is wrong and this post is not helpful.
ortolan wrote:forcing town reads is far more likely to trap the scum in this setup
Do you mean forcing scum to name who they think is town? Because Bogre was talking about saying who he thinks is town.