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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:58 am

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7


BloodCovenent
- 1 - chamber - (L-6)
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- 2 - Cobalt, drippinggoofball - (L-5)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, Farside22, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana


This is information that the scum could have if they wanted, so I thought it should be out in front for us all to see.

Cop – 2 – Elvis – Dead
Vig – 1 – Cobalt*
Doc – 6 – Faraday - Dead
Jailkeeper –
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Empowerer – 21 – Haylen – Dead
Bomb –
Roleblocker –
Framer wrote – 3 – Vi – Dead
One-Way Driver – 20 – Devotress - Dead
Doublevoter – 16 Vaya – Dead
Watcher – 10 – Seacore*
Tracker –

This leaves Jailkeeper, Bulletproof, Bomb, Roleblocker and Tracker
I'm not sure whether to read Chamber's claim of Bulletproof as serious, so I've left him off.
The * are to show that Cobalt and I have claimed it, but it's not quite proven (although I think him claiming a town kill and me successfully directing the Xyl lynch are proof enough of our roles if not our alleigences)

Dramonic has claimed vanilla early if I remember correctly.
That leaves (including Chamber) 9 unclaimed townies, with only 5 roles to choose from.
Based on my night action, which I'm not going to reveal because it doesn't help us enough to offset the danger, I know that one of those 9 has a role, and that it's an active role (due to nature of my role as a watcher, I obviously wouldn't see the effects of Bomb or Bulletproof) so for me it's 8 unclaimed townies with 4 of 5 possible roles.
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:01 pm

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I would like everybody to post before we get a lynch, but I'm happy for a chamber lynch.

Keep in mind we may have a tracker out there. There were 3 kills last night there's a chance the tracker may have seen one.
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:08 pm

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Budja has been giving me scum vibes just all game long. Part meta but avoiding talking directing to or voting for anyone scum but XYL

Does a bit of protecting here
Budja wrote:Yeah, I can see anything vote-worthy with Elvis TBH.

FoS Dram, BC
, seriously guys, that's ok in the RVS but not now.

to
Budja wrote:Cobalt isn't scum.

unvote

vote Dramonic

EK, BC are a rung below.

wow you don't say!
Budja wrote:I'm not absent, just a little overwhelmed.

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Xyl is a bit scummy (I dislike the word choice thing with DGB) but Dramonic/BC are both a lot better choices.

yawn
Budja wrote:I agree with all who say Benmage's answer sucks and Devotress's unvote sucks.

I dislike Cobalt's vote for Deathnote. Any reason for that vote at all?

unvote, vote BC
, noone else seems that interested in voting dram.
Scum helping scum. You don't say....really?!
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Ironically, Devotress makes the most compelling case against EK no far. I like your analysis there.
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BC fails to convince me at all.
This man is missing it all and just sliding by. He's not once voted for detrovess (seeing a connection there)

Also note when/if the vig kills me tonight and when I flip town will you please for the love of god read my points and stop listening to the person who tried to lynch a townie over detross day 2.

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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:09 pm

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hey farside stop deflecting and start bussing
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:10 pm

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Cobalt wrote:hey farside stop deflecting and start bussing
I read there is 3 of only each scum team so tell me oh wise one who I'm scum with?
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:11 pm

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shrug.
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:11 pm

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[quote="mod]This game is an open setup. You KNOW that the following and only the following are in the game:
15 Townies
3 Mafia A
3 Mafia B
1 SK [/quote]

*mutters about people not listening*
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:11 pm

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One thing that is also obvious, but weaker players (like me as I only just really concreted in my head) may not immediately see, there are no scum teams left. Just two solo scum, who are no doubt eager to find each other.

That's the one hole in Cobalt's chamber theory, scum should be incredibly eager to scum hunt.
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:14 pm

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but we've only had 2 scum left for a short time. chamber has been active lurking all game.
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:21 pm

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Yeah, I'm thinking that too, which is why I'm still happy with my future Chamber vote.

If you haven't noticed by now, I just dump all my thinking into the threads.
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:21 pm

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Dumping is good.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:24 pm

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Cobalt wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Cobalt wrote:HAY DGB LISTEN TO THIS
chamber is bulletproof. He is also very scummy. he needs to be lynched today.
BloodCov is very scummy. Farside is scummy and implicated by voting. BUT BC is higher on the draft, therefore he is a better target. We can lynch farside tomorrow, hun.
I hear you. Say something that will convince me and we're on. I believe the last blue scum to be Farside from the voting record. There isn't a lot to go on for the red scum group so I'm flexible.
First, think back on chamber. Do you have any idea who he thinks is scum? Can you think of any important points he's made? Any scumhunting at all? I can't.
Then pull up his iso. He has fewer posts than pages, and most of them are fluff setup speculation and IIoA. No scumhunting. He's active lurking- the exact opposite of how a town bulletproof player would act.
Keep in mind he can't be vigged or crosskilled. The answer is clear. We lynch him today.
I quite clearly think BC is scum, I've been voting him since day 1. A lot of the activity in the game early on was happening when I wasn't around and it made me lose a level of interest with the game which is why I've been so lurky. I only 'scum hunt' when I don't otherwise have good targets, I've had BC since day 1.
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:25 pm

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It's OK, I'm going to vig him. You can rest in peace.
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:28 pm

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Although the town can afford mislynches at this point I'd rather one not be on me. Note that in order for any scum to win at this point they need for me to die.
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:29 pm

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So does the town. Because you are scum.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:32 pm

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My point was that both scum have a lot of incentive to get me lynched. If I am look closely at my wagon.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:32 pm

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chamber wrote:My point was that both scum have a lot of incentive to get me lynched. If I am look closely at my wagon.
that's DGB's department :S
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:40 pm

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Is that you officially claiming bulletproof Chamber?
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:43 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12


BloodCovenent
- 2 - Cruciare, FishytheFish - (L-10)
chamber
- 1 - Benmage - (L-11)
Cobalt
- 2 - elvis_knits, drippinggoofball - (L-10)
devotress
- 1 - SerialClergyman - (L-11)
Dramonic
- 2 - devotress, Seacore - (L-10)
drippinggoofball
- 1 - budja - (L-11)
elvis_knits
- 8 - Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, Faraday, BloodCovenent, Dramonic, Vi, Cobalt, chamber - (L-4)
Seacore
- 3 - TonyMontana, Farside22, StrangerCoug - (L-9)

Players not voting: Plum, Vaya

@ Elvis

Who is bus'ing you and why?
I wanted this as a reminder......


DrippingGoofball wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:This entire wagon smells of scum wagoning somebody who was high in the draft pick.
QFT

Can I make you eat your words here:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Vi wrote:...there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.
That is true.

However.

There are strategic reasons for the scum to pressure the players at the top of the order, first.

Furthermore if I was buddies with elvis, I sure wouldn't bus her, because that would bring our wild pyjama party in the QT to a sad and premature close. Some of you may interpret this as WIFOM, and that I might have been in fact bus'ing elvis, so be it.

The reality is that elvis would not be a top choice of her buddies to bus. ESPECIALLY if scum, at the top of the order. She'd be way too useful. Yeah, WIFOM. But I doubt it in this instance.

However a townie at the top of the order is an excellent wagon to pursue and get a free claim from.

Thus I think this wagon had lots of scum on it. They had to figure that a player at the top of the order would have a claim they could extract, escape a lynch, without getting their hands dirty in an actual lynch.
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Vi wrote:Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.

That is a most excellent list. I'm not seeing Vaya-scum here, but I am not getting townie vibes from anyone else in that accursed group.
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dgb wrote: Xylthixlm wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
No, I meant that for the rest of them, I wasn't getting any townie vibes.



Exactly. I got nothing from Vaya, and from the rest, I am not getting townie vibes.

I know you're not dense, so I'm going to go for 5kuM.
Lets not forget this little gem
DGB wrote: OK Plum is town.
In regards to the debotress vote:
dgb wrote: Cobalt wrote:
I need a less useless vote.
unvote vote devotress


That's a marginally less useless vote, on a non-wagon. What's the matter Cobalt? Afraid to leave paw prints in the butter?
Detects a bit of defending
dgb wrote:
Cobalt wrote:
Devotress is scum. Hop on the wagon.

How is Devotress more scum than BloodConvenient or StrangeCougar?


cool story here bro
It seems increasingly likely, to me at least, that Vaya will flip scum.

In case I die later I want the information out there.

Keeps changing the list of suspects of scum
DrippingGoofball wrote:
LAST 3 on Devotress' wagon:


chamber
Xyl
BenMage

AT LEAST ONE of the above is scum - regardless of Devotress' alignment.

Also, Vaya is still scum.

Looks at the long post with the chart looks great except the fact that I'm blue in this chart barely and now to making a another big tado and raised everyone up and now I'm either red or blue with no reason

Next post of list:

I'm 100% certain that the 3rd blue scum was NOT on the Seacore wagon. So Blue scum is among (I'm removing Budja here on purpose) :
Dramonic
Farside22
SerialClergyman
Faraday
TonyMontana
Vaya

vaya - flip town
SC - fliped town
faraday - flipped town
farside - town
DGB's post so far under crap.



One I noted is that Vaya, SerialClergyman, or FARSIDE were scum. With Vaya and SerialClergyman out of the way, this leaves only Farside.

I just looked at the post look at the other 2 you "seem to forgot"

I have never seen DGB town be this scattered before and desperate.

@DGB I already invited the vig to shot me if he see's fit with the hope that all my post will have people looking at you tomorrow (if he does kill me) when I flip town.

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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:45 pm

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er I meant chamber I dont' know why I said charter
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:46 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Cobalt wrote:hey farside stop deflecting and start bussing
I read there is 3 of only each scum team so tell me oh wise one who I'm scum with?
*raises hand*

Mafia A! Mafia A! The blue guys in my color scheme! Xyl and devotress are your buddies!!!
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:49 pm

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Seacore wrote:Is that you officially claiming bulletproof Chamber?
I think its been fairly obvious since the beginning of day2, but yes I am.

Cobalt was an obvious vig, elvis had claimed cop, vi came up a dead framer, and the sk, right below us 4, came up vanilla.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:50 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:
Cobalt wrote:hey farside stop deflecting and start bussing
I read there is 3 of only each scum team so tell me oh wise one who I'm scum with?
*raises hand*

Mafia A! Mafia A! The blue guys in my color scheme! Xyl and devotress are your buddies!!!
I had a chase on devotress and was 3rd on that wagon for valid reason.s all your charts do is soley anything people say without real scum hunting and DGB town is more then a voting chart
Yay I called meta on you.
As for Xyl I was fooled by him it can happen but as someone asked me once and I like a bit of WIFOM every so often you really think scum vote back to back like that?
Come girl I would think even you would respect any of my scum play you had to face to know better and Xyl to know better.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:55 pm

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farside22 wrote:I had a chase on devotress and was 3rd on that wagon for valid reason.s all your charts do is soley anything people say
People can lie, but voting records do not. They can only be wrong. ;-)
farside22 wrote:As for Xyl I was fooled by him it can happen but as someone asked me once and I like a bit of WIFOM every so often you really think scum vote back to back like that?
Where do you vote Xyl back to back?

Also, I called Xyl as scum for making crap cases early on, and it's not like Vaya/Faraday and SC were particularly townie if you get my drift.
farside22 wrote:Come girl I would think even you would respect any of my scum play you had to face to know better and Xyl to know better.
I don't understand this sentence.
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:59 pm

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Cool, I just wanted it clearly stated.
Reposting my updated list

Cop – 2 – Elvis – Dead
Vig – 1 – Cobalt*
Doc – 6 – Faraday - Dead
Jailkeeper –
Bulletproof – 4 - Chamber*
Empowerer – 21 – Haylen – Dead
Bomb –
Roleblocker –
Framer wrote – 3 – Vi – Dead
One-Way Driver – 20 – Devotress - Dead
Doublevoter – 16 Vaya – Dead
Watcher – 10 – Seacore*
Tracker –

This leaves Jailkeeper, Bomb, Roleblocker and Tracker

Dramonic has claimed vanilla early if I remember correctly.

That leaves 8 unclaimed townies, with only 4 roles to choose from.
Based on my night action, which I'm not going to reveal because it doesn't help us enough to offset the danger, I know that one of those 8 has a role, and that it's an active role (due to nature of my role as a watcher, I obviously wouldn't see the effects of Bomb) so for me it's 7 unclaimed townies with 3 of 4 possible roles.

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