a girl on the internet wrote:will be makin a more substantial post later today
i have no idea how long a day is.
well, the site going down at inconvenient times slowed me down a bit, but admittedly i would never have been on schedule anyway. >_<
so anyway, the way i see it, there are possible 7 scumteams here:
rofl/crypto
mbf/prozac
mbf/bunny
mbf/tajo
prozac/bunny
prozac/tajo
bunny/tajo
the first one is a special case that doesn't need thinkin about today. so let's iso the four players contained in the others and figure out who is most likely.
mikeburnfire
post 38: much has been made of this, and how it looks like unnecessary posturing for town points. but looking back, i think maybe it actually was possible that someone might not have noticed how many votes Mufasa had received, so i guess i can buy that mike felt the need to draw attention to the fact. spyrex and pomegranate being suspected for "opportunism" here is still baloney tho.
post 42: very blatant rolefishing. more on that story later.
post 134: "I will leave my vote on [Ray] for now. I believe it is not misplaced." - ya, that reads really unnatural. definitely adds to the feeling of bussing. i bet crypto will totally dig this case.
"Snow Bunny seems fine for now. Don't know where this wagon is materializing from." - it's pretty easy to see where the wagon was coming from, by reading the posts where people voted her. it's not like the reasoning for it wasn't explained at all. i think if bunny was mbf's partner, he'd at least make some attempt at actually refuting the case instead of pretending it didn't exist here (or join in and bus, i guess). the passive disapproval is much more of a 'scum wanting town points for being against a town wagon, without actually doing anything to stop it' move.
mbf/bunny --
post 142: this is a bad post. the first part is a lame excuse for dodging the question. fair enough if you haven't thought about it before being asked, but that's no reason not to start thinking about it there.
the second part is much worse, since it a) throws dirt at several players indiscriminately, tying them to ray, and b) totally contradicts the first part. mbf hasn't thought about potential scum teams at all, he says, but clearly most of them were already voting mufasa when ray joined. all but one of the players in question are now confirmed town, btw. the one who isn't is tajo, which i guess is a slight
mbf/tajo -
post 171: this is where we come back to the rolefishing. mbf's continued insistence that he had done nothing wrong is actually pretty convincing. i mean, it doesn't convince me that he did nothing wrong, but it convinces me that he
believed
he'd done nothing wrong, which amounts to the same thing in terms of what it says about his alignment.
the "pomegranate is setting up for a future cop claim" bit is totally ridiculous, but again, i don't think it's an alignment tell. it's just mike being dumb.
now the last bit, though, that looks bad to me. being concerned that spyrex isn't commenting on anyone besides mufasa, that's fine, but the way he specifically brings a lack of comment on ray into it is just awkward; it looks like someone who already knows that ray will flip scum trying to tie someone else to him. again.
post 190: this, otoh, has quite the opposite effect. suggesting that i am scum looking for town points when ray flips town would be an odd leap for a ray scumbuddy to make when the "agoti is scum with ray, protecting her buddy" line would be so much more obvious.
post 216:
- draws particular attention to bunny (and spyrex) for lack of posting
mbf/bunny -
- mentions tajo, but hidden in the middle of a longer list
mbf/tajo ++
- no mention of prozac at all
mbf/prozac +
skipping a bunch of posts that were just arguing the same old points with spyrex. i'm not gleaning anything useful from them besides the fact that cannot fathom how mbf's brain works sometimes. "i am not saying ray is scummy for not scumhunting, i'm saying he has done scummy things like not scumhunting". this is something that mbf seems to honestly believe makes any sense at all. i don't know what to do with that.
post 319: i'm struggling to parse this one with ray being scum. it makes so much more sense from an mbf-scum/ray-town perspective, seriously.
post 325: again with the tying other people to ray. come on.
post 399: and at this point it's so brazen that i'm starting to think along 'too scummy' sorta lines. well, that and he's actually got good reasons for a couple of these, pom's post
was
terrible, and prozac's eagerness to go after me instead of ray does look bad in light of ray's flip.
that's it for d1. d2, there's the obvious "RAY MUST DIE" right from the start. at this point, scum or town, mbf was definitely going to do everything working from the assumption that ray was scum, so i don't see further instances of tying people to ray as scummy.
post 546: calls out tajo for "hiding all day, then showing up when the wagon's been formed and criticizing the wagon" which is entirely reasonable, and is definitely a
mbf/tajo --
post 722: seriously, i don't understand how prozac is higher than crypto here. crypto is completely obvious town UNLESS elvis is insane, which is a possibility mbf has already Gambler's Fallacied away. elvis claiming to save buddy rofl from the lynch, i can see how someone might believe that, but why the heck would she want to prevent rofl's lynch if crypto was her buddy? there is no reason.
also, no, prozac is not at all townish.
anyway, for obvious reasons, that's an
mbf/prozac +
,
mbf/tajo -
,
mbf/bunny -
post 775: yeah, at this point i'm convinced that either prozac is his partner, or mbf is town. there's been a whole heck of a lot of things pointing against him being scum with tajo or bunny leading up to this which absolutely screams it out. the lack of care about who gets lynched makes the mbf/prozac possibility look more likely again, but the isoreading as a whole actually makes me lean more towards the 'mbf is town' side.
populartajo
post 93: interaction with bunny here, the way he nudges her towards saying mufasa is scum seems more likely to be leading town astray than coaching a buddy.
tajo/bunny -
post 271: putting bunny second place on his scum list might seem like it should be a minus too, but the fact that he opts to vote pom even though there is already a wagon on bunny makes this a
tajo/bunny +
the fact that tajo completely ignores prozac throughout d1 is definitely
tajo/prozac ++
.
post 545: "regardless of x's flip, y is scum", now there's a phrase that a town player should never be saying. since the y includes bunny,
tajo/bunny -
tajo promises to hammer ray here, which is a promise he never follows through on. definitely looks like he changed his mind about bussing when he realised that there might be enough idiot townies like me who still thought ray was town to get a different lynch happening.
post #593: "I really need a good argument to not vote Ray and I dont think there is one."
and yet, still no ray vote. because he was still holding out hope that someone else would provide that good argument against lynching ray that he couldn't come up with himself.
post #643: hilarious.
right, so, tajo says these two sentences, with nothing else between them:
"Of the frost defenders, rolf's flipflopping yesterday and also 635 is scummy as hell.
He is basically attacking people for something that he also did"
!!!
"rofl's flipflopping is scummy as hell"
"he is attacking people for something that he also did".
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL.
(what i'm saying is that tajo is attacking rofl for something that he also did, and then also accusing rofl of attacking people for something that he also did)
(that makes tajo a double hypocrite. a hypocrite squared.)
post 776: "So tl/dr, elvis is prob town. If she stays alive for 2-3 more days, then she is prob scum."
hey town, if we can't kill elvis, do it for us plz.
post 777: the very first time that tajo gives any opinion whatsoever about prozac. calling him scummy, but obfuscating it with attaching the same point to snow white, and making absolutely zero attempt to actively pursue a case against either of them.
tajo/prozac ++
post 890: "Re: bunny-tajo scumpair. Feel free to speculate what you want, Im not scum and therefore all arguments based on this relationship are bs."
this is an incredibly useless comment, which feels designed to encourage the idea of the tajo/bunny pair in people's minds.
tajo/bunny -
i didn't mention any of his mbf interactions, but there was definitely nothing to sway me from the read i got from mbf's iso. so just like with mike, i come to the conclusion that if tajo has a scum partner, i'm pretty sure it's prozac. unlike with mike, i am not at all leaning to the "tajo is town" side after isoreading. tajo/prozac ftw, i'm pretty sure.
i'll iso the other two to see if anything compelling crops up to change my mind, and i'm also going to skim through the thread as a whole, since isoreading alone misses out on some of the context if exactly where the gamestate was when particular posts were made.
but for now, here is this post. enjoy.
