899 FABLES- THE GRIMMAFIA GAME - The End. Mod Sucks.

[Iecerint]

I see. It sounded suspiciously like a way to set-up fallacious tells down the line at first (e.g. "I know this player's mindset; he's playing town because he's just trying to look town!"), but that sounds fine.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't believe in fluff in mafia. Everything is important. And you are woefully incorrect if you think I am going to push cases based on concrete "tells" instead of content. There is no such thing as a "concrete tell", but there are things that point more toward certain alignments. Mindset is the most important tell, and I find that you have to read each post and try to analyze the mindset of the person involved. Also I don't recall saying I was looking for easy targets. I really don't know anything about any of you and I can't make the judgement on who is an easy target.

I will say that I find your FOS as opposed to a vote a bit disconcerting. Why not just vote?

An FOS is a valid weapon.
It is not a ploy or deception.
Very touchy you are when you are attacks
Almost as if you are afraid of a whack.
The reason for my FOS is because of said mindset
But I do not wish to change my vote just yet.

[Iecerint]

I was going to criticize you for that, but then I realized that you were voting mal, so I suppose I can't really hold that against you without being a major hypocrite.

[kpaca]

For future reference when dealing with me in this game I consider FOS's useless. I'm especially wary of Monkey because at this stage of the game he is voting someone without a real reason, and FOS someone that he is providing reasons for. It appears to me to be somewhat of an attempt to help push suspicions onto me, while at the same time not quite committing to an early wagon.

as such,

vote: monkeyman

[RayFrost]

I have a reply to kpaca's post, but I want to let MM give a defense first (no giving defenses for others)

[Iecerint]

You wouldn't necessarily know this, but mal as a player is even more of a lurker than SP. SP at least tends to make good posts when he does post. Mal doesn't participate much at all. (I've only played with him in a Newbie game, so he may have chaned.) But I could see MM doing what he's doing for the same reason that I'm doing what I'm doing.

[Iecerint]

^^;

I thought that'd be OK to say because that's the kind of thing a player new to the site wouldn't know. MM may have his own reasons.

[MonkeyMan576]

I gave a reason, just because you did not hear it
does not mean I did not say it.
The player on whom my vote is is more suspicious
it does not mean that kpaca is not vicious.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: changed*

[RayFrost]

Iece:

Mal remains an inconsistent poster, but he does post content when he posts... usually.

[RayFrost]

Oh, btw...

MM - I don't have any particular dislike towards yah.

We have a history of what... 2 games?

To be honest, I don't really see how/why you believe I hold a grudge or somesuch.

Or are you just saying you intend to meta me?

[MonkeyMan576]

Oh, btw...

MM - I don't have any particular dislike towards yah.

We have a history of what... 2 games?

To be honest, I don't really see how/why you believe I hold a grudge or somesuch.

Or are you just saying you intend to meta me?

I never said you hold a grudge,
who knows you could be as yummy as fudge!
I like to know about who I've played with in culture
So I'm not suprised about what happens in the future

[kpaca]

I recognize you have stated your reason for not voting me, and I am saying that I think that you are scum, so I am voting you. Giving a reason does not mean I have to accept it as true, though it would be grand if it worked like that.

[MonkeyMan576]

I recognize you have stated your reason for not voting me, and I am saying that I think that you are scum, so I am voting you. Giving a reason does not mean I have to accept it as true, though it would be grand if it worked like that.

Explain to me how you have a reason
The only explanation you've given me is rhyme.
Your vote seems very OMGUS to me.
So your true affiliation will reveal in time.

[Iecerint]

I'm especially wary of Monkey because at this stage of the game he is voting someone without a real reason, and FOS someone that he is providing reasons for. It appears to me to be somewhat of an attempt to help push suspicions onto me, while at the same time not quite committing to an early wagon.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm especially wary of Monkey because at this stage of the game he is voting someone without a real reason, and FOS someone that he is providing reasons for. It appears to me to be somewhat of an attempt to help push suspicions onto me, while at the same time not quite committing to an early wagon.

I gave at least four reasons.
As many as the seasons.

[MordyS]

kpaca:

Why you up in my face?

That's what my vote was referencing. I guess you missed it.

Point taken on the PR's, though I'd still like people to clarify. If they are trying to do something else with it, then I suppose they could just say it's a pr and explain later if needed.

Oh noes.

Vote: kpaca

[Iecerint]

You gave at least 4 reasons for your FoS'd person, but you only gave one reason for your vote on mal IIRC.

[Iecerint]

Point taken on the PR's, though I'd still like people to clarify. If they are trying to do something else with it, then I suppose they could just say it's a pr and explain later if needed.

Oh noes.

Vote: kpaca

99% sure that that's a "post restriction" pr rather than a "power role" pr. Or is this scummy anyway?

[MonkeyMan576]

You gave at least 4 reasons for your FoS'd person, but you only gave one reason for your vote on mal IIRC.

Mal never gave a responce.
So he is suspicious for the neauonce.
Also changing a vote requires more scrutiny
than merely placing a vote can be seen as one's duty.

[kpaca]

Just so I'm clear mordy, you're voting me for wanting people to not rhyme if they didn't have to?

[MordyS]

What bothers me is the explain later part.

[MordyS]

(Also, yes, this focus on people rhyming is a good way to take an easily defensible, not particularly contentious -- or scummy to be sure -- position. It's not scumhunting. Now, you may believe that rhyming makes it more difficult to scumhunt, and thereby request that people not do it unless they must. But to use rhyming as the foundation of your scumhunting screams opportunistic scum tactic to me. And your response to my vote -- "just so I'm clear mordy, you're voting me for wanting people to not rhyme if they didn't have to" -- strikes me as more as the same. God forbid your position draw fire or something?)

[kpaca]

That was a response to Iecerint's speculation on how some people might be lying about their pr. I would suggest if they think the lie is necessary, then to go along with it as if it were a real pr, and explain later. I also wanted it to be clear that I wouldn't be pushing people solely for lying about a pr, because A.) I wont, and B.) I didn't want people to not gambit on my behalf.

[kpaca]

(Also, yes, this focus on people rhyming is a good way to take an easily defensible, not particularly contentious -- or scummy to be sure -- position. It's not scumhunting. Now, you may believe that rhyming makes it more difficult to scumhunt, and thereby request that people not do it unless they must. But to use rhyming as the foundation of your scumhunting screams opportunistic scum tactic to me. And your response to my vote -- "just so I'm clear mordy, you're voting me for wanting people to not rhyme if they didn't have to" -- strikes me as more as the same. God forbid your position draw fire or something?)

It's the foundation of my scumhunting? What does that even mean? I don't have a foundation to go out and hunt scum. I ask questions, and analyze people's text, as I've said earlier. Rhyming unnecceasirily would be a good way for scum to muddle their text and people should not be encouraged to fake a pr just to have fun with it, which is what I wanted to get rid of. And yes, I questioned your vote, because you just quoted a post and placed a vote. I wanted to know what was your reason.