890: Cults of Darkness and Shadow - Game over!

[Leon Dreyfus]

I'm saying he should not be the lynch today. And at this point without me switching, it looks like he was going to be the target.

What made me want to get off of him was the fact that it was a different in our opinions that I mainly had voted for him originally, and then Start claimed that he thought he was scum. After looking back at the SC and Start stuff, it made me realize SOG should not be the lynch target today.

[Chaco]

Effin alt games.

[SerialClergyman]

Wow, so frustrating.

I'm a town guardian. I protected dramonic last night.

Dramonic, In a sense

I agree with this but I wouldn't mind a bit more fleshing out of ideas from you.

I suck at Breadcrumbs and blatantly stole this way of writing it from Hoopla in Commie Mafia.

Dramonic can only be shadow and I personally feel that is unlikely based on his interactions D1. I think Dramonic is essentially confirmed town for me.

It's EXTREMELY unlikely in my mind that there is ANOTHER town guardian that is protecting SOG. I'm 95% sure he's scum. SnowBunny, for all her powers of thought, apparnalty thought a protown power role was impossble when that fit her 'slip' perfectly. I don't know if that's scummy or bad play but it's enough to make me finger her as likely scum.

But the lynch today is SOG. Somebody vote so he can't switch at deadline please.

[Chaco]

Wow, uhm, that breadcrumb is different. Since town guardian is claimed, and Dreamwalker, both making accusations that SOG is scum. You can't argue that really, so

Re-Incant: Dramonic

, might as well confirm their claims.

[Chaco]

Blah that post put Dramonic on the mind.

EBWOP:

Re-incant: Semioldguy

[SerialClergyman]

...

Are you not paying attention or just made a mistake?

You should be incanting SOG, not dramonic.

[SerialClergyman]

lol good man.

[Faraday]

Okay, I think this helps me understand your stance more.

You're not the most likely to be lynched at this stage, so I think you claiming makes little sense at this time as scum, especially with 2 scumgroups still out there and the posibillity of cross kills.

I don't really understand the breadcrumb at all, lol but that's not a big thing. So you protected dramonic b/c you thought he was pretty much confirmed as not being part of one of the scum factions, yeh?
I can buy that, alright.

[Chaco]

...

Are you not paying attention or just made a mistake?

You should be incanting SOG, not dramonic.

I was reading your post while typing, so it messed me up when I saw Dramonic's name.

[Heilograph]

Heilograph has made no defense. Hasn't done much of anything. There's a lot of evidence that he is mipe's partner.

Is there anything i can clear up for you? Where is the "lot of evidence" that you speak of?

[SerialClergyman]

OK, so Heilograph is either scum or TOTALLY uninterested in the game apart from his own neck. He is a top pick for mipe's partner.

Heil - maybe look above a bit where there are claims and important things going on.

[Percy]

Incantation Count

semioldguy - 3 (Chaco, SerialClergyman, startransmission)

SerialClergyman - 2 (Deathsauce, Snow_Bunny)
Heilograph - 2 (Magua, Faraday)
Snow_Bunny - 1 (Heilograph)
startransmission - 1 (semioldguy)
Chaco - 1 (dramonic)

The Ritual will take only 3 Incantations to complete at 6:00pm Monday the 4th of January (site time).

4 Incantations are currently required to complete the Ritual.

[Magua]

Right. Ok, not voting SerialClergyman today then, either.

(Never would've gotten that breadcrumb, by the way.)

I feel I've gotten a better read in the differences of our opinions, now, but I'm curious as to why you assume that dramonic was the target of the shadow kill? I guess my real problem with this theory is that I don't see a good reason for Datadanne/dramonic to be the target of an n1 kill. I do agree that its highly unlikely Datadanne was mipe's partner, but it's a big jump from "dramonic is not Darkness cult" to "dramonic is innocent".

Anyways, I'm not going to jump wagons, but I'd urge you to join the Heilograph bandwagon

[semioldguy]

Does town

want

to lose?

Seriously? If these claims are coming from town they are completely unprecedented. Neither of you actually have any useful information and if you think your claims somehow condemn me or exonerate anyone, not only are you wrong because your claims essentially reveal nothing about anyone else, but it will be your heads on the chopping block next. Neither of you looked to be lynch targets at the times of your claims, also making your claims more or less pointless from a town perspective.

Both claims makes no sense from a town perspective and also very little to no sense from a scum perspective. They are just crappy claims. Period.

@SerialClergyman
If you don't have an objection to a Heilograph lynch, why would you feel the need to stop it today in pursuit of my lynch? If you think we are both good lynch targets, what good does it do for town to reveal your role if you could just try to get me lynched tomorrow as well without having to out yourself?

In my experience Doctor roles generally avoid claiming more than anyone else, and for good reason.

@startransmission
If that was your reason for targeting me, then why did you find it so unbelievable for a town guardian to protect me? If you had a town read on me, wouldn't it make sense that a town guardian might also have a town read on me and that would be a pretty good reason for protecting me? You have been contradicting yourself with this claim.

[Magua]

I can see stratransmission's claim: we have obvious evidence there is a guardian that stopped a scum kill, and we're relatively certain that the other scum team is only one person. So it makes sense that there's a town guardian.

SerialClergyman's claim makes less sense. I wish that he had simply voted Heilograph rather than claiming. It comes down to two possibilities, neither of which are very good:

1) There aren't two town guardians. SerialClergyman dies.
2) There are two town guardians. SerialClergyman won't die. But, on the other hand, two town guardians shoots a hole in the whole argument SerialClergyman is using to get a semioldguy lynch.

So either SC dies, or SC lives but the reason SC has for lynching semi (and thus the reason for claiming) are worthless.

[Faraday]

I think this does make semi more likely scum, in that I don't think there's much chance of us having 2 town guardians *and* a town dreamwalker in the same game, seems a little overpowered for the town to me.

In that way I can understand why he's wanting Semi lynched because of it and it certaintly makes me think semi is more likely to be scum.


Mague SC lives if there's 2 town guardians? Well obviously, yeah he does if the other Guardian chooses to protect him.

Also 2 doctors cross protecting in this set-up seems really, really powerful if they everr come out. So yeah.

Is deadline passed now anyway?

[Faraday]

Apologies for spelling errors, kinda tired.

[semioldguy]

I can see stratransmission's claim: we have obvious evidence there is a guardian that stopped a scum kill, and we're relatively certain that the other scum team is only one person. So it makes sense that there's a town guardian.

This could have been deduced whether he had claimed or not. This also didn't appear to be the reason he claimed.

[semioldguy]

Also 2 doctors cross protecting in this set-up seems really, really powerful if they everr come out. So yeah.

Is deadline passed now anyway?

I share the same thoughts as to why there are likely not two pro-town guardians. Cross protections would break the setup. Any scum member by himself would essentially never be able to win.

Deadline is not passed.

[semioldguy]

The apathy and inactivity in this game does not bode well for town

[semioldguy]

I think SerialClergyman has a decent chance of being scum, but not as strong of a possibility of startransmission being scum due to the poor handling of his claim and his own contradictions that surround it.

I see little town motivation for SerialClergyman's claim, which is still far outweighed by the negatives. However, I can think of several scum motivations for the claim given it's timing and implication.

If SerialClergyman is town, then my flip is about to set up his own mislynch and waste more of town's time in the process (which plenty of has already been wasted away today by numerous players).

My incantation on him is either a positive for the town, or a lesser evil.

Incant: SerialClergyman

I would not, and still will not, choose Heilograph to go down with me if my vote is the deciding factor in that endeavor. I would not have chosen SerialClergyman either until his recent claim, which in my opinion is condemning toward him.

[semioldguy]

As for my reads of players,

I currently find Snow_Bunny and dramonic to be the most likely to be town.

SerialClergyman's death would not change this read on dramonic regardless of the flip.

startransmission is the scummiest player. He should be lynched.

[semioldguy]

I'll keep posting as I can until the thread closes, though I am at work and without much time.

BAH!!! Go town!

[semioldguy]

Of course no one is even here at deadline.

Seriously guys.... 3 votes out of 10 is enough to get a lynch?!? You are giving a ton of power to the scum when you wait so long into the day. Please don't wait so long in future days. It is important to get a majority or close to it. Less than one third of the players were able to determine today's lynch. That shouldn't happen. Ever.

[semioldguy]

I would be beyond shocked if the three people on my wagon were all town. The reasons for them getting on the wagon were very illogical. They lollygagged around in keeping their votes there and preventing game development by disappearing for days at a time, allowing the deadline counter to tick down further. They they denial logic in keeping their votes there, offering no counter argument or anything to the posed case.