Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

[Anon]

I understand Reck's vote on me. It's all about the love. <3

With Mr. Vice President, it's just obvious (if you don't understand, please go watch Battlestar Galactica), but Anon, what's your deal bud?

Got a reason or do you just like bandwagons?

I like bandwagons.

Also, I dont think anyone can have a reason to vote someone on page 1, do you?

[Starbuck]

I think they can, but there are 10 other people that you could have voted for, instead of placing the 3rd vote (thus creating a bandwagon) on myself.

So I was just wondering why you chose to create a bandwagon over voting for someone else.

[Anon]

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

[Starbuck]

That contradicts your Post 25 when you say

I dont think anyone can have a reason to vote someone on page 1, do you?

So you are stating that you did vote me for a reason, when you tried to go out of your way to say you did not.

[Anon]

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

[Amished]

I'm hoping to understand your point of view. Obviously I saw your vote on Starbuck; so I was trying to help discern your intent. A newbie bandwagoning and a veteran bandwagoning are two very different things.

As such; there's no way to get a valuable third vote on anybody without a first.

Unvote
Vote: Anon

[HellnFire666]

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

But still, in a twelve person game, there are at least two scum, likely three (and maybe an SK), so taking a person to three votes could lead to a quick lynch by the scum.

Unvote, Vote: Anon

, you are the only twitch on my scum radar so far, but I will unvote if you have a case, this is by no means a final vote.

[VP Baltar]

What's your experience with mafia HellInFire666?

[HellnFire666]

What's your experience with mafia HellInFire666?

I've played 3 games on other websites, equivelant to Mini Normals on this website, and I've played real life games, which I guess don't really count. So 3 other Mini Normal games.

[VP Baltar]

So in your experience, do you think it is likely that all of the scum (and possibly an SK) are going to quickly pile on to Starbuck for a speed lynch?

[HellnFire666]

So in your experience, do you think it is likely that all of the scum (and possibly an SK) are going to quickly pile on to Starbuck for a speed lynch?

No, it isn't likely, at least not a quick pile in the way I said it in my post, because that would give them away. But it is my experience that scum will look for an oppurtunity if one is given, and I don't think we need to start a bandwagon with no evidence. So yes, I overstated, and a quick pile wouldn't happen, but I just don't want to see a bandwagon started this early in the game with little reasoning.

[Starbuck]

So Hell, what do you think about Anon's explanation?

[HellnFire666]

So Hell, what do you think about Anon's explanation?

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

This strikes me as odd, because later he says

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

because there also isn't anyway for Starbuck to defend herself. It just seemed contradictory to me, that's all.

[chauchaudotcom]

]I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

How so? Particularly at a stage where votes are more or less random?

I just don't want to see a bandwagon started this early in the game with little reasoning.

What do you feel are the chances of a dangerous bandwagon actually forming (going further then 3 votes) on Starbucks during a random stage?

[Amished]

@Hell: Also, if you're worried about a bandwagon forming/growing quickly; why hop on and start to form a bandwagon?

I also see that you gave yourself an easy out off the wagon (no means a final vote). I thought that Anon explained his vote relatively ok; what more of a case are you looking for?

[Anon]

I'm hoping to understand your point of view. Obviously I saw your vote on Starbuck; so I was trying to help discern your intent. A newbie bandwagoning and a veteran bandwagoning are two very different things.

As such; there's no way to get a valuable third vote on anybody without a first.

Unvote
Vote: Anon

I might be a relative newbie but I have read at least 15 different games and know the value of my vote.

[Anon]

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

But still, in a twelve person game, there are at least two scum, likely three (and maybe an SK), so taking a person to three votes could lead to a quick lynch by the scum.

Unvote, Vote: Anon

, you are the only twitch on my scum radar so far, but I will unvote if you have a case, this is by no means a final vote.

Wait, so you think my vote gives scum the possibility to quicklynch and you vote me?

Also what case are you talking about?

[Anon]

How so? Particularly at a stage where votes are more or less random?

I could have voted anyone on the player list. And we would probably still be random voting.

Or I could have voted starbuck and have what we are having now.

[Amished]

Is pressure for pressure's sake something you try to use a lot?

[HellnFire666]

@Hell: Also, if you're worried about a bandwagon forming/growing quickly; why hop on and start to form a bandwagon?

I also see that you gave yourself an easy out off the wagon (no means a final vote). I thought that Anon explained his vote relatively ok; what more of a case are you looking for?

Well, I thought I gave my vote enough reason for it not to just be a bandwagon. However, looking back on it, I misunderstood Anon's argument. I now understand it. Therefore

Unvote

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[Anon]

Is pressure for pressure's sake something you try to use a lot?

I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase it?

[Anon]

Hellfire, what was the argument you misunderstood?

And what is the argument you are understanding now?

[HellnFire666]

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

This one. When I first saw it, I thought you were just bandwagon voting just to vote, but now I understand you wanted to start real discussion/put pressure, so I'm fine with that, so I unvoted.

[Amished]

Rephrased question: How often would you say you vote solely to add your vote to a player? Rather than voting due to a scumtell?

To put it another way: how comfortable are you in reading reactions to pressure that's unwarranted?

[Devestation]

I'd be here already if -someone- bothered to PM me a link to the topic...