Mini 905- Mafia in Sienna OVER

[pman5595]

/confirm

I'll miss you RayFrost, Furry, Lobstermani, and malpascp!

[pman5595]

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

[pman5595]

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

What's wrong with the RVS?

Vote: pman5595

think about it this way, which is better for catching scum, being in the RVS, or not being in the RVS?

[pman5595]

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

2 votes does not make a wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Pman

Gogogo competing bandwagons!

That's only the second vote for me, so id wouldn't be a wagon either

[pman5595]

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

2 votes does not make a wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Pman

Gogogo competing bandwagons!

oh and:

♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪Just started but it's gonna grow♫
♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪'Cause I'm scum, don'tcha know?♫
© Parama 2010

[pman5595]

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

2 votes does not make a wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Pman

Gogogo competing bandwagons!

oh and:

♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪Just started but it's gonna grow♫
♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪'Cause I'm scum, don'tcha know?♫
© Parama 2010

What melody is that to?

¯\(º_o)/¯

make up your own

[pman5595]

pman5595, why'd you do it?

because I wanted too. REALLLLYYYY badly.

Wait what were you referring to?

[pman5595]

Unvote MME

no sense in keeping a random vote

[pman5595]

okay the suspicions of leafsnail are complete crap. Just letting everyone know. All he has done the entire thread is point out a rule that contradicts the basics of a game of mafia, and ask Ellibereth if there was a purpose for the jokes. Trying to be serious and hunt scum is now a scumtell? everyone on that bandwagon needs to think about it a little more.

TO ELLIBERETH: why do you need to vote for leaf instead of just answering his question?

[pman5595]

pman - There are only three people on him right now. Why so nervous?

4

It's not like any of us would let a lynch happen on Page 4, and he's nowhere close to a lynch.

Let's hope not. Why the bandwagon then?

Could you and leaf be scum together?

No. Excuse me for opposing a bandwagon on an innocent townie.

[pman5595]

How do you know Leaf is an innocent townie?

That's just my inference from his posts so far. He is just scumhunting.

[pman5595]

Pman - who do you think is scum?

right now, no one strikes me as particularly scummy. It is only page 4, about 24 hours out of the RVS. But, if I had to lynch one person right now, it would be ConfidAnon. Something strikes me a little bit odd about how he attacked leaf for asking a question, and then saying we needed a bandwagon.

[pman5595]

okay the suspicions of leafsnail are complete crap. Just letting everyone know. All he has done the entire thread is point out a rule that contradicts the basics of a game of mafia, and ask Ellibereth if there was a purpose for the jokes. Trying to be serious and hunt scum is now a scumtell? everyone on that bandwagon needs to think about it a little more.

Asking questions does not automatically make someone pro-town. It does automatically not mean they are scum hunting either.

I did not say asking the question made him pro-town. I said it did not make him scummy. People were using that as a reason for their vote. I also did not say that asking the question means he is scum hunting. I said I thought he was just taking it seriously and trying to hunt scum instead of joking around and doing nothing for the town *coughELLIBERETHcough*

Ellibereth, you've once again failed to answer my question, and have instead just thrown a vote my way. Perhaps you could at least explain why you find me suspicious, or who else you find suspicious?

Gut.

Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

[pman5595]

Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

Bullshit

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

[pman5595]

Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

Bullshit

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

I'm not joking.

[pman5595]

EBWOP: sorry here's what I was trying to submit

Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

Bullshit

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

I'm not joking.

then tell me your reasoning of the leafsnail vote. Please include something other than "gut".

[pman5595]

Pman, I suppose you don't want "he's scum" either? Meh, I'll pass.

If I could vote for you twice I would.

WE ARE OUT OF THE JOKING PERIOD

[pman5595]

Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

[pman5595]

just thought of this. How common is a post restriction in mini normal games?

[pman5595]

Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

What happened to voting only when you thought people were scum?

your unexplained targeting of leaf gives me extremely scummy vibes.

[pman5595]

just thought of this. How common is a post restriction in mini normal games?

Nil, explain.

I thought you might be forced to act stupidly by a post restriction

[pman5595]

Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

What happened to voting only when you thought people were scum?

your unexplained targeting of leaf gives me extremely scummy vibes.

Nonono, you said you originally voted me for being stupid, not for being scummy.

acting scummy by being stupid by voting for leafsnail without any reasoning

[pman5595]

acting scummy by being stupid by voting for leafsnail without any reasoning

Voting without reasoning is not "stupid" by any means.

says the person who so hates the RVS

explain

[pman5595]

Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

it depends on how they are acting stupidly

if they are acting stupidly by voting for someone with no reasoning, yes.

[pman5595]

Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

it depends on how they are acting stupidly

if they are acting stupidly by voting for someone with no reasoning, yes.

Wrong on all accounts. Try again next time.

Explain, please. Actually explain everything have asked you to explain, instead of continuing to act stupidly.

[pman5595]

Mod, replace Jase please

seconded

[pman5595]

Vote: Wickedestjr

just a gut feeling

[pman5595]

pman, what is that gut based on?

oh there is absolutely nothing that makes him look like scum, but I just have this feeling, ya know?

[pman5595]

Yep I know the feeling, but the reason you're getting it is because something twigged you. I'd love to know what that was. If you ever figure it out, let us know.

I'll be sure to let everyone know, but I'll still keep my vote on him now instead of waiting until I can figure out why he's suspicious.

[pman5595]

Vote: Wickedestjr

just a gut feeling

Hypocrite?

If nobody could tell, I was being extremely sarcastic with that vote and the comments afterward, and they were meant to show Elli how annoying what he is doing is.

unvote: Wickedestjr

Unvote, Vote: Pman

pman because of his hopping all over the place and pushing an unhelpful circular line of thought/argument with Elli.

jumping all over the place? please enlighten me.

about the whole crap with Elli, is there a problem trying to get someone to explain why they voted someone? is that really a scumtell now?

And if you are voting because of gut, explain why you get that gut feeling, as it obviously couldn't have come out of nowhere.

[pman5595]

I did not say asking the question made him pro-town. I said it did not make him scummy. People were using that as a reason for their vote. I also did not say that asking the question means he is scum hunting. I said I thought he was just taking it seriously and trying to hunt scum instead of joking around and doing nothing for the town *coughELLIBERETHcough*

You said this:

All he has done the entire thread is point out a rule that contradicts the basics of a game of mafia, and ask Ellibereth if there was a purpose for the jokes. Trying to be serious and hunt scum is now a scumtell? everyone on that bandwagon needs to think about it a little more.

No. Excuse me for opposing a bandwagon on an innocent townie.

So you don't think those things make him look townish?

I said in a later post that I don't really have significant reads on anyone yet. It is too early for me.

Those things make leaf unworthy of a bandwagon, IMO, and that was what I was trying to get across.

[pman5595]

After re-reading the whole thread,

Vote: Kitten4u

Contradiction, and when called out, her defense seemed more about survival than helping the town.

[pman5595]

jumping all over the place? please enlighten me.

about the whole crap with Elli, is there a problem trying to get someone to explain why they voted someone? is that really a scumtell now?

And if you are voting because of gut, explain why you get that gut feeling, as it obviously couldn't have come out of nowhere.

Nowhere did I say my vote was on gut. Why did you even ask that question?

That wasn't referring to you. Of those three lines, only the first was referring to you. Sorry for any confusion.

When I say hopping I around that's just what I mean. You jumped on Elli and kept pushing him to answer his question. He wouldn't, while I agree that isn't helpful, neither is you asking that question over and over just to get the same result. You then proceeded to

unvote

him for a sarcastic vote that means what exactly? Are you even suspicious of Wicked at all?

The sarcastic vote was to show Elli and everyone else who said voting by gut was good strategy how annoying and terrible strategy it is. It might be jumping all over the place, but it wasn't bandwagoning and it wasn't scummy

You have since unvoted again but didn't bother to place your vote back on Elli, why not? Is he annoying or is he scummy? If it is the latter where is your vote? If it is the former why aren't you scum hunting?

the former, and I have more recently after your post was made.

How do you know Leaf is an innocent townie?

That's just my inference from his posts so far. He is just scumhunting.

Still that is quite a leap. What parts of his scum hunting do you agree with in particular?

Early on he seemed to be the first person to really start taking it seriously and start looking for scum. He questioned the motives behind RVS bandwagons, questioned the motivations behind individual votes early on. He seems like he is pro-town and takes it more seriously than others. *coughELLIcough*

[pman5595]

Okkkkkk, my gut now pings town on Kit for some reason. Leaving vote on for now but I still think that a Budja wagon would be good.

oh she's town, but I'll keep my vote on her anyway, because there's no other wagon to hop on.

You have been acting too weird, and too scummy for too long.

Unvote: Kitten4u, Vote: Ellibereth

[pman5595]

Nah, I'm planning to start screaming for a Budja wagon in a few posts, but I want to hear some other peoples reactions to the claim + Kitty's new writeup of the case on leafy.

To me that sounds like: "I'm would vote for Budja, but I'm going to wait until other people say if it's okay to unvote someone I think is pro-town"

[pman5595]

Nah, I'm planning to start screaming for a Budja wagon in a few posts, but I want to hear some other peoples reactions to the claim + Kitty's new writeup of the case on leafy.

To me that sounds like: "I'm would vote for Budja, but I'm going to wait until other people say if it's okay to unvote someone I think is pro-town"

Waiting to here reactions and a promised case is different from wanting approval from others.

My main point is this. Why wait for those things if you think she is town?

[pman5595]

Straight up, I have never been more disappointed by a town I've looked forward to playing with. I am sick of this paralyzed inability to lynch. Goddamn hippies.

I agree, lynching scum quickly is great. The key word, however, is

scum

. If we lynch too quickly, not only will we possibly lynch a townie, but we won't have any info to go on the next day.

[pman5595]

Unless something while I'm catching up makes me more suspicious, I think I like this alternative:

Vote: pman5595

can you please explain your reasons?

[pman5595]

Wicked, I'll respond to your case on me asap, have to go know, just know that I've read it.

[pman5595]

Firstly:

right now, no one strikes me as particularly scummy. It is only page 4, about 24 hours out of the RVS. But, if I had to lynch one person right now, it would be ConfidAnon. Something strikes me a little bit odd about how he attacked leaf for asking a question, and then saying we needed a bandwagon.

This seems rather convenient considering you had enough information to determine the case on Leaf was "complete crap" (Post 82) and that he was an innocent townie(Post 84). Its much easier to call somebody town then it is to call somebody scum.

exactly. It is also easier to figure out an opinion on whether someone is town or scum. at that point knew enough that I thought leaf was town, but I did not have any scum reads.

Secondly:

It's not like any of us would let a lynch happen on Page 4, and he's nowhere close to a lynch.

Let's hope not. Why the bandwagon then?

This seems to contradict this:

Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

In the earlier quote you vote MME because you feel like wagoning to get out of the RVS, yet in the later quote, you seem to have a problem with a bandwagon that does form.

There is a difference between trying to get out of the RVS and opposing a bandwagon that was NOT based on trying to get out of the RVS.

Thirdly:

I did not say asking the question made him pro-town. I said it did not make him scummy.

People were using that as a reason for their vote. I also did not say that asking the question means he is scum hunting.

I said I thought he was just taking it seriously and trying to hunt scum instead of joking around and doing nothing for the town

The bolded bit seems to contradictory with his previous posts. Earlier he said this:

How do you know Leaf is an innocent townie?

That's just my inference from his posts so far. He is just scumhunting.

So pman is of the belief that Leaf is scumhunting. However, pman's post where he says this, Leaf had only asked questions. If you don't believe me, look at Leaf in iso. His first 9 posts came before pman explained his town read. So, this indicates that pman either thinks asking questions is scumhunting which contradicts the bolded in the post above, or he is just making stuff up which means he's scum.

The question I was referring to in the first quote was the question over the rules. that question meant nothing. His other questions I interpreted as scum hunting.

Fourthly:

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

This just looks to me like a useless vote. He even tells Ellibereth what to do to make him unvote, so it doesn't look to me like a good example of a pressure vote. Also, the interesting thing is that if Ellibereth had stopped joking around, then pman would have unvoted. So, this implies that he wasn't actually suspicious, because if he thought Ellibereth's joking was scummy, then Ellibereth's joking coming to an end wouldn't be a good reason for townpman to unvote. So, if it is not a pressure vote and not a vote to represent a suspicion, it just looks like a vote designed to appear useful. It was a good move for pmanscum, because it allows him to:

*appear useful by trying to make Ellibereth contribute
*puts him in a position to either be suspicious of Ellibereth or not suspicious of Ellibereth, whenever he gets a good idea about what the town thinks.

nope. I vote him because he refuses to act pro-town. If he stops joking around (starts acting pro-town) I unvote him. does this make sense?

I'll finish tomorrow.

[pman5595]

How many times do I have to tell pman that I wasn't joking and was completely serious...
And if it isn't obvious yet, I don't care what you think is protown and what you think is not.
Because I'm curious: For the peoples who think Ima scum, who do you think my buddie(s) would be?

As a friendly reminder: Budja tomorrow.

I'm inclined to think this Budja thing is just distancing, I never understood your case on him. So maybe Budja?

and maybe you weren't joking, but your play was hampering the town.

[pman5595]

maybe Budja is your scumbuddy.

so yes, maybe we can lynch him

[pman5595]

yeah, I don't like wicked either, but I'm not going to vote him because all I would get is OMGUS thrown at me :/

I don't see a problem with budja's hammer, personally. I don't view it as any different from the other votes.

[pman5595]

just posting saying that I am reading the thread, but I am busy. I will get a case and a vote up asap.

[pman5595]

Vote: Wickedestjr

65- Votes leafsnail with little reasoning. Only reason is that leaf is asking a question to Elli that is somehow scummy (?) I don't get this vote at all.

seems to be tunneling leaf through next couple posts...

168- until he votes kitten, for, guess what? USING BAD REASONING TO VOTE LEAF. Oh the irony.

over next couple posts questions leaf while basically ignoring kitten, the person he is voting for.

245- unvotes kitten at L-1. If you thought she was scum enough to vote her, there is no reason to unvote when she is about to get lynched.

289- votes me, and responds and asks questions to several other people but doesn't give a case on me at all until it is asked for.

his case is made up of saying I contradict myself in posts I didn't, and the whole spat with Ellibereth. I think it is a lot of waffling and trying to look helpful for town. Scummy.

so yeah, don't anybody dare call this an OMGUS... or oh my god they suck.

[pman5595]

I'll finish analyzing the rest of his posts when I get a chance.

[pman5595]

Mod- I MIGHT be v/la until sunday afternoon, I don't know what the internet situation where I am going is yet.

[pman5595]

I don't see a problem with budja's hammer, personally. I don't view it as any different from the other votes.

What did you think of what he said when he placed his vote?

Still missing this answer.

whoops, must have missed it the first time.

Looking back at it, the things he said were not good. The worst thing was that he was not fully convinced. This puts him up on my scum list, but I still believe wick is scummier

[pman5595]

I'm liking a Budja/pman5595 pairing.

any particular reason you feel this way?

[pman5595]

I wasn't going to respond to this, because it is the same stuff that was in his other case repeated. But he "blackmailed" me

Continuing on...

Point 5:

EBWOP: sorry here's what I was trying to submit

Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

Bullshit

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

I'm not joking.

then tell me your reasoning of the leafsnail vote. Please include something other than "gut".

pman says if Ellibereth wasn't joking then his vote should really stay on him. However, when Ellibereth says he wasn't joking, pman seems to give Ellibereth an opening to escape from the vote by making the above post.

nope. the whole reason for my vote was because he was voting leaf with no reasoning. If he was joking, I would unvote, if he explained his reasons, I would be able to make a decision. But he felt reasoning was not needed, hence the vote.

Point 6:

Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

No, you did say you were voting Ellibereth for joking in these quotes:

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If I could vote for you twice I would.

WE ARE OUT OF THE JOKING PERIOD

Stop contradicting yourself scum.

I don't see where I contradicted myself. I will be able to respond beter if you pointed out where.

Point 7:

Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

What happened to voting only when you thought people were scum?

your unexplained targeting of leaf gives me extremely scummy vibes.

pman pulls this point out of nowhere to show that he was voting for Elli because he thought he was scum. However, like I pointed out in my previous post, pman was willing to unvote Elli if she stopped JOKING, so obviously it wasn't a vote because he thought Elli was scum.

I passed off his scummy lack of reasoning as a joke, but when he insisted it wasn't a joke, it became scummy.

Point 8:

Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

it depends on how they are acting stupidly

if they are acting stupidly by voting for someone with no reasoning, yes.

Voting with no reasoning suddenly indicates stupidity now, so conveniently enough, he can no pretend as if it was a part of his case.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize voting without reasoning was a good thing. My mistake.

Point 9:

If nobody could tell, I was being extremely sarcastic with that vote and the comments afterward, and they were meant to show Elli how annoying what he is doing is. unvote: Wickedestjr

Oh! So now Elli's voting without reason is annoying! I thought it was stupid or scummy! I must've forgotten that annoying=stupid. Silly me. Also, despite Elli's joking continuing on, you don't return your vote to him. Interesting.

voting without reason is annoying. I apologize for not using the exact same adjective in every post.

Almost all of Wickestjr's case comes from my spat with Elli, which in my opinion became removed from the game and turned into each of us trying to prove each other's way of playing bad. All of his points are basically the same thing. It is just is fluffy waffling.

[pman5595]

Those votals are outdated. Wicked has 4 votes I believe.

Mod: Can we have new ones?

Anyway. This is probably over-speculation, but the role most likely to be replaced iis probably a vanilla townie. As it is the hardest role to "get in to" IMO. Add that to my mostly town read on budja and I don't think Fate is scum. Wickedestjr, however, is the person that needs to be looked at for fluff and waffling.

[pman5595]

I wasn't going to respond to this, because it is the same stuff that was in his other case repeated. But he "blackmailed" me

How concerned are you about the purported "blackmail" of someone you think is scum?

I'm not concerned about him and his views, but if he keeps bringing it up, other people might believe him.

[pman5595]

Tangential question: what does the extra "I" mean in IIoA?

really off topic here, but I read that as tan genital question. But I was wondering the same thing

[pman5595]

Wicked, now is not the time to not post for 48 hours.

[pman5595]

not a claim

WHAT IS YOUR CLAIM

[pman5595]

Interesting turn of events.

Perhaps Pman is a godfather...

huh? I don''t get how wicked's claim, which i don't believe, btw, would make me the godfather

[pman5595]

sorry for double post.

I don't believe wicked's claim for this reason. This is the train of thought I see.

hmm. What would keep them from lynching me? Oh, a vig claim. Who would they expect me to target? oh yeah, pman. Dang it pman didn't die. I'll have to say the kill didn't go through.

nice try, but not good enough, wick.

[pman5595]

Vig is a dangerous claim. If he's lying and there is a vig, he dies tonight.

Why do you consider it dangerous in a game with only one NK? From mafia's PoV, the lack of a second kill suggests that there is no vig/SK even more heavily than it does for town.

If Wick is the vig, why did he need to post a huge case that was never going to get anyone lynched? He wouldn't feel such an intense need to sway the town if he had a town kill of his own. He's asking us to believe that his crap case not only found scum, but made them so nervous that he was roleblocked? If scum were that nervous about Wicked, why not just kill him? If they were that accurate at sniffing out power roles, why did MME die?

The unifying answer is that Wicked is lying. My vote stays.

Quoted for truth.

His claim just doesn't make sense. I find the chance of there being a roleblocker+the chance they would use it on him very unlikely. I think there might be a small chance he is a serial killer, but if we lynch serial killer, that is somewhat good too. I find it very hard to believe that he is town. I think the vig claim was a scare tactic (maybe even him waiting as long as possible to claim, knowing we were close to the deadline)

[pman5595]

first

rereading Oman's posts.

[pman5595]

please remind me why I am guilty because a roleblocker or a doctor. stopped the kill

[pman5595]

Seriously? L-2?

The only reason that people have posted against me today is that I didn't die night one. I fail to see how that is a scum tell.

I have to leave soon but should have a case up tonight.

Sorta

FoS: Ythill

for wanting to keep the day short with little discussion.

[pman5595]

I don't see anything that would lead me to believe you to be protected or a reason to RB Wicked. So you not dying is very significant, yes.

Well, I wouldn't think I would be protected or wicked roleblocked either, but it obviously happened, since–*checks pulse*–yep I'm still alive.

[pman5595]

Fuck You town. THIS IS WHY I HATE QUICK WAGONS. THIS IS WHY I FOS'D YTHILL FOR NOT WANTING DISCUSSION. You fucking out power roles. >___________________>

I am a

Town Jailkeeper

. I protect people but roleblock them as well. Night 1 I jailkept Wickedestjr, thinking scum would try to kill him and blame it on me. Night 2 I chose not to use my action, thinking the chance of jailkeeping a town power role was too likely

There had better be another protective role >__<

[pman5595]

You are a terrible salesman, because I'm not buying. Your claim does not fit with your reaction to Wicked's claim yesterday.

Because I obviously want scum to figure out my role.

[pman5595]

it's called reverse psychology people. >.>

seriously?

if you lynch me this fast after a claim, town deserves to lose.

[pman5595]

You should've believed Wick might have been a vig, if you did indeead RB him.

except that serial kill or mafia fall under the exact same circumstances, and he acted scummy as well.

[pman5595]

OMG you guys! He put his claim in green! That means he's town! Seriously though, it's funny that you posted that appeal to emotion with the caps and everything but then didn't consider that someone that upset probably wouldn't use color tags.

I used color tags (and to thesp, the word "town") because that is how it appears in my role pm. I used caps because I was angry that you guys outed a power role.

THIS IS WHY I HATE QUICK WAGONS.

Quick? People have been suspecting you for two days. If we hadn't caught the SK, you probably would have been lynched yesterday.

I was referring to the fact that you pile on votes to a claim, not thinking about the fact of outing a power role.

Night 2 I chose not to use my action, thinking the chance of jailkeeping a town power role was too likely

LOLOL. I absolutely love the way our D1 slant against VT claims has motivated the scum to make bad fakeclaims. I'll have to remember that for future games.

LOLOL. It's not a fake claim >.>

it's called reverse psychology people.

I call it clumsy lying.

hmm. I call you a bad psychologist.

I am also comfortable with a hammer. Thesp?

I love how you think thesp is the one worthy of hammering a jailkeeper. Or maybe this is buddying up to someone many people find pro town.

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Just because I was double checking our work and I like to add fuel to the fire...

Night 1 I jailkept Wickedestjr, thinking scum would try to kill him and blame it on me.

If you wanted to protect him from the mafia, then you must have thought he wasn't mafia himself. Yet your first post of D2 tells an entirly different story...

Well I knew he was either scum or going to be targeted by scum. That is where my role works perfectly on him.

yeah, I don't like wicked either, but I'm not going to vote him because all I would get is OMGUS thrown at me

You go on to explain the reasons for your suspicion in #407 and

every one of them

occured before N1. So did you think Wick was mafia? Or did you think that the mafia were going to kill him? Ooops.

see above

You have two options left, pman. You can expand your lies to include some GF theory about two scum groups and thereby talk yourself in more circles and reveal your buddies to us. Or you can self-hammer to end the day before you get them killed too. Choose wisely.

my scum jailkeeper buddies. yes. And I can hammer the town out of a power role. No fucking way.

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And you're a good enough liar that we won't use what you post to identify your buddies. No, really.

My scummy non-existent jailkeeper buddies. ok

Scum buddies: Ellibereth, My Milked Eek, & Oman.

This is funny how much town is failing at not lynching power roles

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what's the point if you are just going to hammer me anyway? If you would actually consider the fact that you are hammering town, then yes, I will post the case.

[pman5595]

I know, But I HATE this "Your scum but do what I say anyway. Then I'll hammer you" attitude from Ythill.

[pman5595]

Acceptance is your part. You need to accept you are hammering town. Then I will accept the fact that you are an idiot. How about that?

[pman5595]

What is this I don't even

I'll give you the tl; dr

They wagoned me to claim and outed a jailkeeper.

And now are lynching me anyway

[pman5595]

twighlight spam for revenge?

*ponders*

[pman5595]

also, gl town. Wish you wouldn't have jeopardized your chances by killing a jailkeeper, but whatever.

[pman5595]

I just realized I have entered the state of acceptance lol

[pman5595]

quintuple post ftw?

[pman5595]

BBAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

anyway, off to learn fake claiming.

[pman5595]

major congrats to thesp for calling CTD as a power role N1.

I can say I loled when they were trying to decide between leaf and fate with some suspicion on moriaty. Sotty and Thesp both played a terrific game.

mafia QT here: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/RLai9LbiATy

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I felt Oman was significant enough to deserve a poem when killed.

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Is anybody going to 2nd the nomination I made?

I would second sotty and thesp... but I don't deserve to be on there.

and I haven't reached acceptance yet