R-SURVIVAL -- Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

Meh, that's beside the point. I'm trying to say that just because yabba had a different reaction, he isn't scum for it.

Look at this game:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=750

BloodCovenant had a waaay different reaction to DRK's claim in the beginning than anyone else, so we lynched him. He wasn't scum :/

[Ellibereth]

Different situation, the first post clearly said open in this case.
And having this poll can't hurt.

[Ellibereth]

Albert, prod whoever the hell needs prodding.

[DragonsofSummer]

Really though, is it worth arguing or discussing? The thread said open fine. The mod says it is closed. I feel like telling the mod he is wrong accomplishes nothing?

[Cobalt]

Oh, this game.
This game.

[ortolan]

Really though, is it worth arguing or discussing? The thread said open fine. The mod says it is closed. I feel like telling the mod he is wrong accomplishes nothing?

do you seriously not understand the intent behind the poll? answer the question please. u2 cobalt.

[ortolan]

sorry cobalt, you already did. Go ahead DoS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's semi-open.

[HackerHuck]

Regis Philbin: All right audience, Ortolan needs your help. On your keypads, either "Open", "Closed", and

"I really don't give a damn about this crap"

... vote now!

*dramatic music*

I also don't get the point behind this poll.

[ortolan]

I am trying to work out if yabbaguy is scummy for knowing the setup was semi-open, rather than open. I did think that was rather clear. Now co-operate with this pro-town endeavour.

[yabbaguy]

I thought semi-open was F11, C9, or some other game that involves a batch of setups or roles, and ONLY those can be drawn from. In that case, the players know all the possibilities, though not entirely which one is chosen.

Since we don't know possible powerroles or even how many scum could possibly exist, it's totally closed. Sample PMs don't count, in my mind.

But again, I honestly don't care because the point is moot. The fact of the matter, there is a way that the original post could have been construed as both closed and open. The fact that I took what might be the lesser-taken interpretation just is not scummy. Simple.

Therefore wasting time with this poll is anti-town.

[ortolan]

why don't we wagon someone then. who should we wagon, yabbaguy? you seem to know what you're doing.

[yabbaguy]

*sigh*

Vote: Ellibereth

-Generally sounding like he's too informed about minority. (knows scum likes more discussion and is quite confident scum don't have daykill)
-Lurker hunting != scumhunting, esp. when not calling them scummy.
-theory conjectures are generally unhelpful, sometimes dead wrong (gives advantage to minority.) Brushed one off as a mistake, which I can't necessarily vouch for.

[yabbaguy]

Well, hey, wait a minute. I thought the point was that we dayvigged before we voted, even.

Find your own scum suspect. The vote is more symbolic; I agree with dayvigging first, ie: having someone else scummy shoot Elli.

[dramonic]

I dont get why we cant just follow the usual technique of "have A shoot B, if A doesnt wanna shoot have B shoot him." I mean, isnt that what people usually do in games where eeryone has a 1-shot vig?

[yabbaguy]

That's exactly it. But we need another scum suspect, and I think I've scared the fish away now.

...here fishy, fishy!

[Ellibereth]

Fishy?

I think all three points of your case is crap, but half the people aren't posting right now so...

[semioldguy]

perhaps we should take a poll: who else thought it was open/closed?

This would have no indication of alignment and is HEAVY role fishing.

Vote: Ortolan

Your accusation makes no sense to me and seems very misguided. Not only is this information not in any way indicative of alignment, but this proposed poll is beyond horrible. Do you intend to out any potential power roles we have by means of this poll? Seriously... what the hell are you thinking?

We should definitely NOT take a poll. No one further should answer that question.

[ortolan]

overreaction++ Do you think it is scummy to ask for a poll or simply a bad idea? "What the hell are you thinking" implies I am town who should know better, rather than scum, so please explain why you're voting me.

[Nachomamma8]

Goin with ort on this one. Your post is a bit... dramatic. Especially considering everyone who answered basically refused to answer (Did a single person answer yes or no? No). Hell, even ortolan didn't answer his own poll... Do you really think he's scum for it?

[HackerHuck]

I don't get how the poll is rolefishing, but I got the feeling it was going to be used as a setup. I also don't see how the oldguy's response implied you were town in any way.

[HackerHuck]

Sorry for the double post. Since this is my first vig-fest, I thought I might actually do a little side reading. Which games are good examples of what not to do?

[Cobalt]

Read the Bad Idea series.

[charter]

Forgot about this game, I'll try and give it a read once I cool down and realize that the people in this game (hopefully) are a smart rational group.

[DragonsofSummer]

Forgot about this game, I'll try and give it a read once I cool down and realize that the people in this game (hopefully) are a smart rational group.

I think that is a lot to ask for.

@ort: I think my thoughts on the poll are pretty clear from my post about it.