Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Cobalt]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

BloodCovenent

- 1 - budja - (L-9)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-9)

devotress

- 10 - SerialClergyman, DeathNote, Farside22, Cobalt, TonyMontana, Vaya, chamber, Xylthixlm, Benmage - (L-0)

drippinggoofball

- 1 - Faraday - (L-9)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Seacore - (L-9)

Faraday

- 1 - FishytheFish - (L-9)

Vaya

- 3 - elvis_knits, drippinggoofball, devotress - (L-7)

Players not voting: Cruciare, Dramonic

Oh benmage. <3

[BloodCovenent]

Bloodcovenant’s 784 says that Vaya lurking when he’s lurked as scum before is null. Why? I see no reason to suppose activity (and particularly activity in comparison to other games) isn’t correlated with alignment. And odd thing to defend someone about.

could you please point out where I said that vaya was lurking in this post. that is, if that's the post you meant.

[Fishythefish]

Just because someone replaced out as scum in game 1, doesn't make them scum in game 2 when they do the same thing. It actually means nothing, and is a null if anything.

Sorry, you used "replacing out" - pretty much equivalent here.

[Faraday]

DGB’s 858 is an awesome tour de force of scumhunting. I doubt it’s actually right, but it’s produced good results. Faraday’s reply seems to be more picking at words than addressing the case itself: he makes an irrelevant point about the second scumgroup, and attacks old opinions of DGB’s. Neither of these is relevant here. He also claims that other things in Plum’s post did register – this is a non-argument, as the point being made is that they didn’t register originally – you can’t correct a scummy action after you’ve been called on it. Faraday’s response, rather than the initial case, makes me think him scum. If he’d said “that’s a pretty terrible, reaching, overelaborate scumtell”, I’d have some sympathy, but trying to pick at the factual accuracy of DGB’s idea stinks.

this is all pretty horrible.

the second scum group point was very relevant. i was accused of glossing over townies, but even if someone is scum they don't know someone is town this game.

i was fucking asked what else registered, i wasn't trying to correct anything. i was looking for what stood out originally and ya know what might lead to plum's buddies. i wasn't trying to correct a scummy action b/c what i did wasn't scummy.

picking @ the factual accuracy was inherently more fun actually, glad i did it.

[Faraday]

i'm willing to hammer devotress, are we waiting on anything in particular?

[Cobalt]

we already hammered her dude

[Faraday]

sorry bro i'm on flu pills

[Faraday]

why is she town? I genuinely don't see it, what am I missing?

also i'm pretty fucking sick atm so activity might be less than usual idk, depends on what the doctor suggests.

cuz xyl is scum.

also no wai.

[Cobalt]

Huh, I see what you mean.

[farside22]

Yeah. I gave the timestamps of the posts concerned. Are you seriously saying it’s a scumtell that, when looking at my mafia games, I looked at this one third?

This is my thought on what scum would do seeing a cop claim.

Dudes I so thought that push on EK was scummy and I would have said something had i realized things would go this far.
IE: I'm hiding, lurking, don't want to vote, reply or comment on the EK wagon but hey she claimed cop so I'm going to say I thought it was a BS case even though I never said anything before and cover my tracks by saving I wasn't around for the case even though I posted else where during said time.

Let me know if you missed my thought process.

[Fishythefish]

the second scum group point was very relevant. i was accused of glossing over townies, but even if someone is scum they don't know someone is town this game.

Not true. What you were really being accused of is having a reaction to one scumpartner bussing another. Knowing the alignments of other other players is irrelevant here.

i was fucking asked what else registered, i wasn't trying to correct anything.

*checks*
This is true, and makes that part of my case irrelevant.

picking @ the factual accuracy was inherently more fun actually, glad i did it.

I think it's scummy, as the case was absolutely fine except in the robustness of the scumtell it was based on.

[DrippingGoofball]

LAST 3 on Devotress' wagon:

chamber
Xyl
BenMage

AT LEAST ONE of the above is scum - regardless of Devotress' alignment.

Also, Vaya is still scum.

[Fishythefish]

Yeah. I gave the timestamps of the posts concerned. Are you seriously saying it’s a scumtell that, when looking at my mafia games, I looked at this one third?

This is my thought on what scum would do seeing a cop claim.

Dudes I so thought that push on EK was scummy and I would have said something had i realized things would go this far.
IE: I'm hiding, lurking, don't want to vote, reply or comment on the EK wagon but hey she claimed cop so I'm going to say I thought it was a BS case even though I never said anything before and cover my tracks by saving I wasn't around for the case even though I posted else where during said time.

Let me know if you missed my thought process.

This might make sense, if you had any reason at all to think I'd "lurked" and "hidden" in this time. Then I'd be lying, and lying is bad. But as I've now said about three times, it is thoroughly misleading to translate looking at mafia games sequentially into "posting elsewhere in that time". And yeah, there's a bit of your thought process missing. As scum, why would I want to paint the EK wagon as BS, or to be seen to do so? This is the point that remains when you discard the ludicrous point about post times - that I criticised a wagon in retrospect.

I'll reiterate the relevant timeline:
10am, elvis is at L-6, and I post.
10:47pm, I post in another game (by now, elvis has been up to L-1 and is now on L-2)
11:29pm, I post in another game still
12:08am, I post here, criticising elvis's wagon.
Are you seriously saying this is evidence that I was lurking so as to avoid commenting on EK's wagon?

My claims:
1) I didn't feel the need to comment on a BS case at L-6.
2) I didn't read the thread between L-6 and elvis claiming.
3) Afterwards, I was suspicious of the people who had forced the second drafted player to claim based off a crap case.
Which of these don't you believe?

[farside22]

As scum, why would I want to paint the EK wagon as BS, or to be seen to do so? This is the point that remains when you discard the ludicrous point about post times - that I criticised a wagon in retrospect.

Why would a town player not respond about a BS case when he see's it in the first place?
Scum on the other hand can use it as a ploy saying how dare you use a BS case on EK. And yes hammering a claimed cop is a scum action but it's obvious. Coming out right after the claim without saying anything prior looks opportunist as hell.

[SpyreX]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

BloodCovenent

- 1 - budja - (L-9)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-9)

devotress

- 10 - SerialClergyman, DeathNote, Farside22, Cobalt, TonyMontana, Vaya, chamber, Xylthixlm, Benmage - (L-0)

drippinggoofball

- 1 - Faraday - (L-9)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Seacore - (L-9)

Faraday

- 1 - FishytheFish - (L-9)

Vaya

- 3 - elvis_knits, drippinggoofball, devotress - (L-7)

Players not voting: Cruciare, Dramonic

Again the town moves forward, rope in hand.

DEVOTRESS, it must be you!

And...

It was!

Devotress, Mafia A One-Way Driver, has been lynched

Deadline for night: Saturday, January 2nd, 10:30 PM PST

[SpyreX]

Morning came, as it does.

There was another corpse, as there always seems to be these days.

However, it seems as though luck is still on your side:

Elvis_Knits, Mafia B Cop was shot

Deadline: January 12, 10:30 PM PST

[Cobalt]

WHO KEEPS JAILING ME
in other news

vote xyl

[SerialClergyman]

I dislike Devotress's vote though, and will put my money where my mouth is. I've had a theory for a while that the first person to accuse someone of role fishing is scum. This has been built up over a few games of getting accused of fishing or watchign other townies getting accused of fishing, and it almost always is one of those things that scum feel so unapproachably correct in doing that they jump at the chance.

This is now official.

Tony Montana is almost certainly not Mafia A.

Cobalt, why vote Xyl given he was at the very least pushing a scum member hard?

[Xylthixlm]

Two scum, I helped start the wagons on both elvis and StrangerCoug day 1.

I suppose I could still be mafia A.

[Xylthixlm]

I suppose now that elvis is dead I'll have to find another scum. Hmm.

[Xylthixlm]

I have a theory that whoever was on the SC wagon, but not the elvis wagon, is scum with elvis. Let's see.

Let's try that again.

elvis_knits (291) - Vi, Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, Faraday, BloodCovenant, dramonic, Cobalt, chamber, Cruciare, Benmage, Seacore

StrangerCoug (653) - Xylthixlm, Vi,

elvis_knits

,

Devotress

,

DrippingGoofball

, BloodCovenant, Cobalt, Benmage, Seacore, Faraday,

TonyMontana

, dramonic

That's more than I thought. But elvis and devotress are scum and I think DGB is scum as well. Not sure about TonyMontana.

vote: DrippingGoofball

[Budja]

My 2c for now.

With DGB going on about the watcher, I think we are likely to catch scum or have a scum-watcher. [/speculation]
---
I suspect scum can daytalk with EK's slip. Xyl scumtalk theory with DGB gets cred.

More reading...

[Cobalt]

logical process for xyl scum
a)DGB and Xyl do not share an alignment
(strong argument throughout game)
(could be distancing BUT
(DGB has well-known meta dislike of distancing)

b) town read on DGB
(no floundering on calling her opponents scum)
(cases aren't too insane)
(silly scumpair theories are par for the course)

c) therefore xyl is scum

d) supporting evidence:
(Xyl has a well-known hatred of antitown players)
(Lurkers fall under this category)
(Xyl has not persued lurkers at all this game)
(Xyl policy-lynches lurkers as town)
(Xyl is not policy lynching lurkers)
(Xyl is scum)

[Xylthixlm]

Cobalt, you're crazy.

Just making sure you know that.

[SerialClergyman]

elvis and devotress weren't scum together, of course. Do you think Tony is likely to be scum?