Open 188 - Tweed Mafia - Over!

[XScorpion]

In fact

unvote
Vote: Lowell

In reverse chronological order...

very strong townvibes coming from yabba.

Blatant buddying.

unvote, vote MrSuave. Bandwagon. I'll give zach credit for showing up at least. Suave has an attitude on the rare occasions he does participate.

I like how Lowell comments on people showing up, when both zach and Suave have been more active than him. Also I don't like bandwagon votes that have basically no logic behind them.

unvote, vote zach. 39 and 41, taken together, rub me the wrong way. 39 is meta and 41 is defensive and meta.

I share Zach's opinion that:

See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player.

Does this suggest possible Lowell/Kitty pair? Maybe.

[KittyMo]

Zach talking about something I said that has absolutely nothing to do with Lowell suggests I'm scum with Lowell?

Um, what?

[XScorpion]

What is the scummiest action you can think of off the top of your head, and why?

As I said before, I don't see how this question.helps town.

See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player.

I agree with this.

unvote, vote zach. 39 and 41, taken together, rub me the wrong way. 39 is meta and 41 is defensive and meta.

So basically, Lowell is suggesting that Zach's argument against you is meta and grounds for being scum. In other words, he is defending you.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not really buying XScorpion's explanation for his weak attack on everyone attacking him. I also think he's stretching trying to connect Lowell with KittyMo.

Unvote
Vote: XScorpion

[DTMaster]

1. Yay nhammen replaces Scott. Welcome him. I did, last nite, in that bed, over there ;3.

2. Prodding Jason. Still searching for a backup due to his circumstances. :<

Vote Count:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

XScorpion (1) - StrangerCoug
Lowell (2) - Scott Brosius, XScorpion,
StrangerCoug (1) - KittyMo
MrSuave (3) - Nikanor, farside22, Lowell,
Nikanor (1) - MrSuave,
Locke Lamora(0)
yabbaguy (0)
nhammen (0)
KittyMo (1) - Zachrulez,
Zachrulez (1) - jasonT1981,
farside22 (1) - yabbaguy
jasonT1981 (0)

Not Voting (1)
Locke Lamora,

Deadline 24/12/09. 11:59:59 GMT Blah Blah.

[XScorpion]

I'm not really buying XScorpion's explanation for his weak attack on everyone attacking him.

What do you believe my mindset is then? Would you like to explain why you think I've behaved how I have thus far?

[Zachrulez]

Zach talking about something I said that has absolutely nothing to do with Lowell suggests I'm scum with Lowell?

Um, what?

Hey, what do you think about Lowell BTW?

[Zachrulez]

Also, when you guys quote, could you guys put the name of the person you're quoting in those tags please?

It's hard for me to keep it together and figure out who you're quoting...

[Zachrulez]

Nikanor, post 155 awaits your response.

[Zachrulez]

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

[Lowell]

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

Or we could come to a consensus and lynch zach.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not really buying XScorpion's explanation for his weak attack on everyone attacking him.

What do you believe my mindset is then? Would you like to explain why you think I've behaved how I have thus far?

What do I believe your mindset is? You place too much stock on your own meta. I finished a game relatively recently where everybody on my lynch was town and so was I.

As for your behavior, you were pretty much asking for trouble early on; I didn't want to give it to you. It also took you awhile to scumhunt, looking at you in ISO.

[Lowell]

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

Also, doesn't suave have more votes? If your real purpose were just to make sure we get a lynch, wouldn't you go for the leader rather than suspiciously picking someone with fewer votes?

[Zachrulez]

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

Also, doesn't suave have more votes? If your real purpose were just to make sure we get a lynch, wouldn't you go for the leader rather than suspiciously picking someone with fewer votes?

You have the same amount of votes.

I picked you because I am more suspicious of you.

[XScorpion]

You place too much stock on your own meta. I finished a game relatively recently where everybody on my lynch was town and so was I.

This indicates to you that I'm scum?

[StrangerCoug]

You place too much stock on your own meta. I finished a game relatively recently where everybody on my lynch was town and so was I.

This indicates to you that I'm scum?

Yes. Scum will sometimes sit back and watch townies rip out each other's throats. Doesn't work all the time, obviously, but the mathematical possibility almost always exists.

[XScorpion]

Then what is your explanation for why, unlike others such as Locke, I decided to stop lurking?

[MrSuave]

I see, THAT question. well in the pokemon game, you did not tunnle on me. BUT, you did group me in with a player to be lynched >_>. and your attitude towards me was very hostile IMO. and then at the end you randomly voted me, screwing us over entierly. so, you may not have been tunnling, but you weren't that friendly either >_>

[nhammen]

I am replacing Scott. Will read up as soon as I finish my modly duties for my game.

[nhammen]

P.S. Today is the first day I actually read the whole thread. Does anyone want to explain why my insanely anti-town behaviour hasn't warranted a single vote? At most I got a few slaps on the wrists from Yabba and Locke, but really...I mean, if I was anyone else in this game, I would probably be voting myself already out of policy (oh wait, I already did. Lol.) Just pointing out that it seems strange for there to be so much discussion about certain players, yet if I was scum (and wasn't acting like a jackass with my anti-townness) I would breeze through day 1 almost completely unnoticed.

WIFOM!

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

Why him, rather than Suave or XScorp?

You have the same amount of votes.

I picked you because I am more suspicious of you.

Same amount after your vote. And you saying you are more suspicious of him is meaningless if you don't back this up with reasons. Looks like avoiding the question to me.

Scummiest players:
Zach
XScorp
Suave

unvote
vote Zach

I am willing to change to Suave at deadline.

[nhammen]

BTW a Zach Suave pairing looks likely from ISOing Zach. But that could just be buddying.

[Zachrulez]

Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

Why him, rather than Suave or XScorp?

You have the same amount of votes.

I picked you because I am more suspicious of you.

Same amount after your vote. And you saying you are more suspicious of him is meaningless if you don't back this up with reasons. Looks like avoiding the question to me.

Scummiest players:
Zach
XScorp
Suave

unvote
vote Zach

I am willing to change to Suave at deadline.

Seriously? Read the thread.

Scorp looks like a pretty easy target to attack to me, and I'm not convinced Suave is scum. Nikanor has subsequently ignored numerous inquiries from me on the matter, and that doesn't make me any more comfortable with a Suave lynch.

[Zachrulez]

BTW a Zach Suave pairing looks likely from ISOing Zach. But that could just be buddying.

Buddying from who?

Also if you had done an iso read, you would have found the reasons I am suspicious of Lowell. Did you conveniently ignore this and only look for things that fit your pet theory of a scum pairing? (Which you haven't actually elaborated on.)

[Nikanor]

Sorry Zach, when you said you were 'waiting for a response from Nikanor,' I thought you were referring to yabba's question. I missed your inquiry entirely.

1) So when you say he's overconfident, you mean that he's too confident in his vote on you?

2) I don't know if this question was ever answered, but is this kind of play common to town Suave? (The aforementioned overconfidence)

3) The general idea I'm getting from the back and forth the two of you have is that he's claiming as a qualification to you being town that you must tunnel him, and you have provided evidence to the contrary, (That I haven't actually looked at yet.) that has gone ignored by Suave. Is that an accurate assessment?

1) Yes, as well as his accusations against me. It seems to much like, 'I know exactly who is scum in this game, so I have no problems calling other people scum for completely arbitrary reasons!'

2) From what I've seen, no.

3) Yes, that is correct.

@nhammen: Why do you think XScorpion is scummy? Why do you think MrSuave is scummy? Why do you list XScorp above MrSuave in your 'scummy' list, but only say that you're willing to move to MrSuave at deadline?

[Nikanor]

Zach, what do you think of XScorp?