Mini 897 - OpenSource Mafia - Game over!!

[UncertainKitten]

lolwat.

In TRADTiMM he was the ONLY TOWNIE that actually caught scum. He was also a role that for all intents and purposes wasn't actually IN the game but interacted with it (Tar game, etc), but when it came time for him to deal with stuff, he asploded and killed scum. (Suicide bomb was part of his role)

And that was the only town caused scum kill. I'm assuming he has the ability to reason out who's scum. He just isn't in the habit of telling us what he's thinking. I'd almost be willing to treat him like chamber, but I'd appreciate him giving information if he so deigns.

[Iecerint]

SSK has been mislynched-town in every game I've played with him (Lazy Neighborhood, I-Love-You, etc). If anything, I usually get the impression that he doesn't read the game very closely. He apparently forgot he had a town PR in Lazy Neighborhood. Maybe my experience just isn't representative.

Not that it wouldn't be nice for him to participate.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm taking SP's side. Clearly Vaya is scum.

...SSK...I've heard you can be a useful protown player. I understand that people sometimes give you a hard time due to your meta. So, I'll ask nicely. Is there anything else you currently think with regards to this game? Perhaps an opinion on Snow Bunny's claim, Josh's responses to my pressures...really, anything is good. As far as I remember, this is all you've given so far.

Actually, if you could elaborate on why SP has the right of the situation, I'd also appreciate it. Thank you ^-^.

In regards to SB's claim, it's perfectly valid. A bit early but valid.
Josh's responses I think are fine. Definitely not overreacting.

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

[MafiaSSK]

Too lazy? It only took, what, 16 character strokes? >_>

Yup.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, part of it is a matter of how you talk to him. I mean, I think it's fair to say he gets a bad rap and it colors people's impressions of him. so they tend to be ruder. Well, I know

I

would be less inclined to help people who are rude to me. So I'd like to give him a chance. He's shown me that on some level he's decent at mafia. I just want to see if he'll at least help me a little to see what he's doing on my level. I think the situation will be much better if rather than call him scum because we don't understand him, we try to kindly ask for a less hidden input so we can parse what he's thinking. Because I firmly believe he IS thinking, even if he doesn't show his work.

[MafiaSSK]

...SSK...I've heard you can be a useful protown player.

lolwat.

The only remotely scummy thing Vaya has done is the delayed SP vote, and even that's a stretch. I'd vote SP, except that I don't want JL to get off the hook due to V/LA. <_<

Would also like to hear SSK explain why SP isn't full of crap.

So Iec is Vaya's scum partner, awesome.

[UncertainKitten]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

[UncertainKitten]

So Iec is Vaya's scum partner, awesome.

Ah, but doesn't that make me scum with them? I'm technically defending Vaya as well by attacking SP, but I don't agree with Vaya's latest action. In ways, I'm worse than Iec because I haven't committed to either.

To attempt to rectify that I'd probably pressure SP over Vaya at this time if I didn't want more from Josh.

[MafiaSSK]

lolwat.

In TRADTiMM he was the ONLY TOWNIE that actually caught scum. He was also a role that for all intents and purposes wasn't actually IN the game but interacted with it (Tar game, etc), but when it came time for him to deal with stuff, he asploded and killed scum. (Suicide bomb was part of his role)

And that was the only town caused scum kill. I'm assuming he has the ability to reason out who's scum. He just isn't in the habit of telling us what he's thinking. I'd almost be willing to treat him like chamber, but I'd appreciate him giving information if he so deigns.

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

[MafiaSSK]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

Official information.

[Iecerint]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

lolirl.

[MafiaSSK]

So Iec is Vaya's scum partner, awesome.

Ah, but doesn't that make me scum with them? I'm technically defending Vaya as well by attacking SP, but I don't agree with Vaya's latest action. In ways, I'm worse than Iec because I haven't committed to either.

To attempt to rectify that I'd probably pressure SP over Vaya at this time if I didn't want more from Josh.

Yeah, but you don't defend your scum partners that hard.

[MafiaSSK]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

lolirl.

?

[Vaya]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

Official information.

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

[MafiaSSK]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

Official information.

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

Yes.

[Iecerint]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

lolirl.

?

You're funny.

Or were you being serious?

[Vaya]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

Official information.

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

Yes.

Alright, as far as I'm concerned, you're either drawing the wrong conclusions from the info you have, or are lying. Please share with us exactly what it is you know so I can figure out which it is.

[MafiaSSK]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

lolirl.

?

You're funny.

Or were you being serious?

Joking.

[Iecerint]

I have a hard time buying that SSK has role-based reasons to find Vaya scummy. Vaya hasn't claimed anything. It would only make sense if SSK were told up-front "PS VAYA IS SCUM."

Or I'm just not creative enough to figure it out.

[MafiaSSK]

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.

Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?

Official information.

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

Yes.

Alright, as far as I'm concerned, you're either drawing the wrong conclusions from the info you have, or are lying. Please share with us exactly what it is you know so I can figure out which it is.

1. This is exactly what scum would do.
2.I do not want to be night killed for the reason for this info.

[MafiaSSK]

I have a hard time buying that SSK has role-based reasons to find Vaya scummy. Vaya hasn't claimed anything. It would only make sense if SSK were told up-front "PS VAYA IS SCUM."

Or I'm just not creative enough to figure it out.

And yet there is a reason.

[UncertainKitten]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

Hmm. Not sure I like this, and I have too small a sample size to determine if this is alright. But, overall, I want to see how this goes. I think that we can definitely get some use out of you (sorry, that sounds so condescending :S). I'd rather not see any meta based attacks on SSK this game. Remember the tale of the North Wind and the Sun ^-^.

Yeah, but you don't defend your scum partners that hard.

How often have you played with me as scum anyway ^-^? Rather, scum with actual scumbuddies . That said, have you noticed this trend with Iec (more liable to heavily defend a buddy?)

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

I agree with this, actually. But! I am not for a full claim. I'd like you to determine what is a safe amount of information to impart, SSK?

[UncertainKitten]

I have a hard time buying that SSK has role-based reasons to find Vaya scummy. Vaya hasn't claimed anything. It would only make sense if SSK were told up-front "PS VAYA IS SCUM."

It's odd to me as well. But this is a game where we are encouraged to expect the unlikely. There might be something to it.

1. This is exactly what scum would do.
2.I do not want to be night killed for the reason for this info.

Do you believe that your role is worth more than one caught scum? Answer VERY carefully, and please don't forget that in general, a 12 player game has 3 scum and 9 town, making each scum far more valuable to their team than any townie.

Actually, thinking on it, scratch that question. Obviously you think it is or you aren't certain of your results.

Hmm...I've changed my mind SSK. Don't claim anything. I'm not sure if I'll vote Vaya yet. I'll have to assess both your behaviors throughout the day.

[Iecerint]

I've never been scum on this site.

I think you're more likely to get a meta-based defense of SSK than a meta-based attack on SSK. Actually, you've kinda already offered one of those. <_<

[MafiaSSK]

This is why I like being invisible. I have a hard time pointing out specific scum tells that tell who is scum.

Hmm. Not sure I like this, and I have too small a sample size to determine if this is alright. But, overall, I want to see how this goes. I think that we can definitely get some use out of you (sorry, that sounds so condescending :S). I'd rather not see any meta based attacks on SSK this game. Remember the tale of the North Wind and the Sun ^-^.

This would be nice.

Yeah, but you don't defend your scum partners that hard.

How often have you played with me as scum anyway ^-^? Rather, scum with actual scumbuddies . That said, have you noticed this trend with Iec (more liable to heavily defend a buddy?)

A few times. One example would be Time Spiral Mafia. Yes I have noticed this trend with Iec.

Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?

I agree with this, actually. But! I am not for a full claim. I'd like you to determine what is a safe amount of information to impart, SSK?

Fine. It involved a rapid action in Tar's terms.