Newbie 864 - Game Over.

[rewq455]

Hey, if anybody has any more views on the EG/Me lynch, please post them.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Well, you promised that you would have posted your thoughts on everyone last weekend. So I'm kinda waiting on that. Also, I have a paper to write for tomorrow.

[Zorblag]

Vote Count 2.3

The numbers by the voters indicate the order in which the vote was cast. If two or more players are tied for the most votes to lynch at the deadline the tiebreaker will be the player who has the earliest active vote.

rewq455: 3: Evilgorrilaz (8), Col.Cathart (10), RayFrost (11)
Evilgorrilaz: 3: rewq455 (9), Parts (12), Sweep (13)

Not Voting: Bach

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Currently rewq455 would be lynched at Deadline. Deadline is 4:00 PM EST/1:00 PM PST on Thursday, December 17th.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Bach]

Well, I was hoping for more out of EG. It's a not enough for me to change my mind...though it doesn't make me feel better about my decision.

...........

Interestingly, both my targets today are people who voted for me on Day 1. I firmly believe that my original supposition (one of the three voting for me is scum; Bach ISO#30) holds true. I just hope I get the right one.

EvilGorillaz has been my target from late in Day 1. He has committed the following scummy actions: He tagged on to Rewq's attacks on me, without adding anything (Day1); acted as Rewq's interpreter (post#301). Surprisingly, this is all I got from his ISO. Those attacking him are annoyed with his playstyle (me too), but I understand where he is coming from with his 'everyone but me is scum' line of thinking. A vanilla townie has only one solid fact to work from: he knows he is town. He has acted consistent with this line of thinking.

EG's potential scum buddies: ColCathart, RayFrost. Neither of these two are high on my scum list...if I am mistaken, it is a grave one I have made.

Rewq I decided was Vanilla Townie on day 1 due to his focus on me. I didn't agree with his reasoning, but I could respect it. I also thought him and Sweep as a scum buddy pair was way too obvious, considering how quickly he sprung to the attack on me. Rewq's scummy posts: asking EG for a claim out of the blue (ISO#36); claims to have 'pressured' CC previously in response to Ray's accusation...check his ISO, his 'pressure' post (ISO#28) is weak; his poor reaction to CC's gambit (EG sums this best @post#356); more subtle rolefishing, poor argument. (ISO#49). There's more, but my general read is he has made a mountain of errors in Day 2.

Rewq's potential scum buddies: Parts, Sweep. Want to see something fun? Go do an ISO on Parts. Find 'rewq'. Parts has a pretty high opinion of him, doesn't he? Rewq hardly ever acknowledges Parts. Sweep has so few posts, but he's an obvious potential scum partner (see Day 1).

So, logically, I must bring the Hammer of Grabthor down upon Rewq. I hope I am right.

Vote: Rewq455

[RayFrost]

I'm confused...

How thah fook am I a potential partner for EG?

Seriously.

[Bach]

Based solely on the current vote spread. Assuming no one is getting bussed, you and ColC are potential partners with EG, and Sweep/Parts for Rewq.

[RayFrost]

Or I could be bussing a partner that is obv scummy in order to avoid being on the townie lynch, or I could be distancing, or this, or that, or...

[Bach]

WIFOM city, duh. Its simply more likely, if EG was scum, that you or Col C would be his scum buddy.

What are you worried about, Ray? Don't think Rewq is scum?

[RayFrost]

You sayin' I am worried just cuz I'm defendin' myself punk?

Seriously, if you think me questioning your reasoning is worried, then you should find everybody as "worried," including yourself.

If you don't like the way I go about it, then eh. That's playstyle.

[Bach]

No...that's a non-answer.

Wasn't your big problem with EG your dislike of his playstyle? And now your offering up the same illogic defense? Shit, Ray...I wasn't even pressuring you.

I now have a bad feeling about my choice.

[Zorblag]

Vote Count 2.4

The numbers by the voters indicate the order in which the vote was cast. If two or more players are tied for the most votes to lynch at the deadline the tiebreaker will be the player who has the earliest active vote.

rewq455: 3: Evilgorrilaz (8), Col.Cathart (10), RayFrost (11), Bach (14)
Evilgorrilaz: 3: rewq455 (9), Parts (12), Sweep (13)

Not Voting: None

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

rewq455, townie

is lynched day two.

It is now night two. Deadline for submitting night actions is 11:00 AM EST/8:00 AM PST on Friday, December 11th.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Night Two has now ended.

RayFrost, townie

was killed night two.

It is now Day Three.

Vote Count 3.0

The numbers by the voters indicate the order in which the vote was cast. If two or more players are tied for the most votes to lynch at the deadline the tiebreaker will be the player who has the earliest active vote.

Not Voting: Bach, Col.Cathart, Evilgorrilaz, Parts, Sweep

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Currently no one would be lynched at deadline. Deadline is 3:00 PM EST/12:00 PM PST on Friday, January 1st, 2010.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Bach]

NO VOTES. We're in lylo now.

Ugh. So, I've been consecutively wrong. N00b indeed.

They should have left Ray alive...I was going to gun for him today.

With Ray's death, I have to assume our scum buddies are Col C. and EG. Col. C has been staying away from EG for the most part. He's also been very friendly and supportive of me all game...and damn me for falling for it.

I'd say we lynch EG today, Col C. tomorrow. I'm going to skim over the thread in the next two days, see if I'm missing anything else.

Remember, NO VOTES.

[Parts]

EG is still my number #1 pick for a lynch considering his actions yesterday. He was just scummy beyond belief. Gonna look through the vote counts later to look for a pattern.

[Col.Cathart]

NO VOTES. We're in lylo now.

Wise words.

With Ray's death, I have to assume our scum buddies are Col C. and EG. Col. C has been staying away from EG for the most part. He's also been very friendly and supportive of me all game...and damn me for falling for it.

Those - not so much. Reasoning 'the must both be scum, because they were on his wagon' is just plain wrong. 4 people made that lynch, Ray included, who is now a confirmed town. Sure, there's a chance that someone actually was on scum on this wagon, but

a) I know my role, I'm not a mafia.
b) Believe it or not, I still have town read on EG
c) I have a town read on you
d) Ray is confirmed innocent.

So I don't think this wagon was scummy at all. Besides, why are you still not considering the option 'EG is not guilty, and his wagon was scummy'? Remember, that rewq's mis-lynch doesn't automatically removes th other possibility, as EG, and both people who wagoned him are still alive.

Yes, that means I suspect Parts/Sweep scumpair. Sweep was given a free pass for entire D2, and IMO this is a crucial mistake. As I said, playing the 'n00b' card on my buddy got me a win in other game as a scum, so I'm not going to lose this one as a town, because of similar reason.

Parts had a terribad D2 with Sheeping after Ray, and then following the easy wagon on EG.

I don't care in which order, but Sweep and Parts should be the lynch for the next 2 days.

[Col.Cathart]

Guys? Am I the only one alive here?

[Parts]

@Mod:

Can we get prods on sweep + evilgorillaz please?

Ok lets try to get some discussion going.

CC: Why do you think me and Sweep are more likely mafia than EG is? How sure are you that the mafia team is me and sweep instead of me + somebody else or sweep + somebody else?

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: Prodding Bach, Evilgorrilaz and Sweep.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Evilgorrilaz]

So far: RayFrost
IKD
Sweep
All Lurkers
Rewq

Sweep clarify this for me. When you wrote this, was this in order of scummiest top town bottom or town top scum bottom.

[Parts]

I just noticed that EG has not posted his scumlist that he promised day 2, get on that.

[Bach]

@ColCathart: Sweep/Parts? Are you saying Parts was bussing Sweep on Day 1?

[Col.Cathart]

Sorry, work + studies are giving me a really hard time.

CC: Why do you think me and Sweep are more likely mafia than EG is? How sure are you that the mafia team is me and sweep instead of me + somebody else or sweep + somebody else?

Bach is an avatar of being town, so every pairing with him is excluded.

EG started of really well with his first few posts. He started acting really weird at the end of D1, so it's unlikely for it, to be a scum gambit (as a replacement, he couldn't plan anything before D1, and he started doing it before D2. It still beats me, why he started behaving like that though...). And on D2, he was for too juicy and easy lynch target. That kind of wagons on anti-town behaving players are usually containing one or both scum.

That leaves you and Sweep, which is fine with me for reasons explained in my previous post.

@ColCathart: Sweep/Parts? Are you saying Parts was bussing Sweep on Day 1?

Why not? That's pretty usual tactic for scum to distance themselves early in the game.

[Parts]

So are you saying that I shouldn't be aiming to get anti-town players lynched? It looks to me like that anti-town behavior worked perfectly for scum EG. He stalled all day and didn't have to put any of his own reads down or do any analysis and the day ended with a mislynch. This day has begun and CC is still vouching for him when he hasn't done anything of substance since D1.

CC EG scum pair seems the most likely.

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: Looking for a replacement for Sweep.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: Zachrulez replaces Sweep.

Thank you Zachrulez!

-Zorblag R`Lyeh