Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Xylthixlm]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 3 - StrangerCoug, chamber, Cruciare - (L-9)

chamber

- 1 - Benmage - (L-11)

devotress

- 4 - SerialClergyman, FishytheFish, Faraday, Seacore - (L-8)

drippinggoofball

- 3 - Xylthixlm, Cobalt, budja - (L-9)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Vi - (L-11)

FishytheFish

- 1 - Dramonic - (L-11)

Seacore

- 5 - Pomegranate, elvis_knits, devotress, TonyMontana, Farside22 - (L-7)

TonyMontana

- 2 - drippinggoofball, BloodCovenent - (L-10)

Players not voting: Plum, Pomegranate, Vaya

Advacating a policy lynch is scummy.

Wait, did I miss a policy lynch? Who are we policy lynching?

[Fishythefish]

I disagree with TM's "slip." I too often pull apart novel concepts like this one, I don't think you need to be in a team to do it. You just need a job with too much spare time

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. There's a piece of paper on my office desk that can attest to this :p

Indeed. For anyone who is wondering, in the unlikely event that we all rolled dice to pick our draft pick, we can expect 11.258 power roles. The last person on the list had an 18.6% chance of being a PR; at 15th, I had a 30.1% chance. The actual chance of all roles being used is 4.4%.

Anyway, on the actual game. I agree that claiming vanilla was unwise for Dramonic, but I'd bet he was town.

BloodCovenant, on the other hand, is scum:

His second post is quibbling other wording rather than explaining lack of vote. He proceeds to attempt to use three people voting in a row as a scumtell - and, worse, to get others to use it as such. For me, this is fairly obviously a nonsense - why would this be indicative of alignment? He goes after Vi for admitting a pressure vote on Seacore, but after a very predictable response ("Seacore looked town"), he says "but you still ping'd my gut" and leaves well alone. That's no good for me - Vi didn't ping his gut, she did something specific and scummy.

unvote, vote: BloodCovenant

[DrippingGoofball]

It was DGB who leveled an incorrect accusation at TM, not the other way around.

TonyMontana sounds like the mouthpiece for a large scum team.

We already know the scumteams are two groups of three plus an SK. There is no "large scumteam".

And you feel a member of said smaller scumteams would be more likely to forget that the scumteams in this game were small?

What do you think about DGB's assumption that the scum are talking?

Well, were they talking? If I'm assuming that they are, WRONGLY, what does it mean? If I'm correct, maybe I read the rules? OK unlikely, I never read rules and I didn't this time either). If I'm CORRECT (without having read the rules, admittedly!), maybe TonyMontana gave himself away

that

spectacularly.

Are you assuming that I'm assuming rightly, or wrongly, Xyl? Because regardless of the answer, it means that YOU know something I don't. Get it? Disingenuous.

[Xylthixlm]

Are you assuming that I'm assuming rightly, or wrongly, Xyl?

I'm assuming that you're assuming. I

did

read the rules, and they don't say anything about when the scum can talk.

[Xylthixlm]

EBWOP: I'm assuming that you're

not

assuming. Gah.

[StrangerCoug]

@BC, I still think context matters here. There probably is scum on the Fishy wagon just by probability anyway.

Freudian slip? do you mean the seacore wagon?

I've committed a slip as scum before, so I don't think it's bad to keep an eye on Budja and Fishythefish. Budja

DOES

have a defense in both having aquatics-related names, though.

vi's pre-emptive vig direction ticks my scumdar. as an experienced player, Vi should know that random death helps town.

Since when?

Vi is wrong. Assuming random shots, a vig or SK has a 33.33% chance of hitting scum. A mafia-directed kill has only a 21% chance of hitting scum.

What makes you think the vig is going to kill at random? If anybody's going to be killing at random, it's the SK.

The claiming discussion on page 3 has its good parts and his bad parts. I agree that we don't need a massclaim, just worry about those anti-town roles. Bulletproof and bomb claims help the scum since they end up knowing who not to kill, so I agree with that. It goes downhill on page 4, though. In fact,

vote Seacore.

We don't need a mass VT claim.

The Seacore wagon isn't awesome though.

Are you going to add to Vi's post or what? I don't like people just quoting stuff and not adding to it.

Regardless of Goofy's comment about the large scum team, I don't particularly believe she's scum.
TonyMontana's vote is bad.
Xylthixlm would get my vote if he had a larger wagon than e_knits.

Does the size of the wagon matter this early in the day?

Unvote, Vote: BloodCovenant

. This guy is so obvscum I don't know why he hasn't been lynched yet.

Pls explain

The will of the universe has declared it.

Major HoS: Cruciare

for the worst dodging of a legitimate question ever.

For my future posts:
SerialClergyman=SCM
Seacore=SC

What am I?

[Cobalt]

What makes you think the vig is going to kill at random? If anybody's going to be killing at random, it's the SK.

Nothing. It was a zero-information simulation to show Vi that the vig should shoot.

[StrangerCoug]

The last time I checked, the vig wasn't compulsive. If that person wants to hold fire, let him or her do so.

[Cobalt]

I didn't want to direct the vig, I just wanted to show Vi why he was wrong (because I initially found his position scummy).

[Seacore]

What am I?

Chopped Liver?

I'm gonna go with Coug

[elvis_knits]

I didn't see it in the rules either if scum can daytalk, but I have been in games before where DGB assumes the scum can daytalk whether she has reason to or not. She likes to tell people to go back to their QT, among other things. I'm thinking of the famed "lynch all lurkers" game, and perhaps others.

[farside22]

farside, I knew what I said in the post, I was asking why it seemed scummy as it seemed innocent to me.

You never pointed to why it wasn't scummy. Vi had to point it out. Why didn't you just say hey this is what the mod said instead of just pussy footing around the statement?

[farside22]

Advacating a policy lynch is scummy.

Wait, did I miss a policy lynch? Who are we policy lynching?

Look to Benmage for that. Not me.

[Xylthixlm]

"Vig don't fire or we kill you" is actually a pretty good tactic in smalltown, where you already know who the vig is. Here? Not so much.

[Xylthixlm]

I didn't see it in the rules either if scum can daytalk, but I have been in games before where DGB assumes the scum can daytalk whether she has reason to or not. She likes to tell people to go back to their QT, among other things. I'm thinking of the famed "lynch all lurkers" game, and perhaps others.

Wait. I was in that game. It's where I got all mad and threatened to never play with DGB again after she self-hammered, as I recall.

unvote, vote Seacore

[Vi]

@farside: So I'm scum for calling Seacore scum for the same thing you saw.

Really?

Are you in this game to lynch Seacore, or are you here to parse whether Seacore is scum?

While I don't agree with FtF's reason for voting BloodCovenant in 176, it would be worth my while to make a judgment on him. Please hold...

Xyl is dodging my absolutely serious question about Plum and Vaya.

Coug's posts are as terrible as farside's, not least of which because he's voting Seacore as well. To answer the specific question, though--

Does the size of the wagon matter this early in the day?

Yes. Yes it does.

Cut by Xyl among others: Wow this wagon is scum-driven.

[Xylthixlm]

Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

[Seacore]

farside, I knew what I said in the post, I was asking why it seemed scummy as it seemed innocent to me.

You never pointed to why it wasn't scummy. Vi had to point it out. Why didn't you just say hey this is what the mod said instead of just pussy footing around the statement?

I, in fact, did say why it wasn't scummy in post 30. When Vi stay preoccupied with it I asked her to clarify why she thought it was so scummy, and could not understand her answers.

[Xylthixlm]

Advacating a policy lynch is scummy.

Wait, did I miss a policy lynch? Who are we policy lynching?

Look to Benmage for that. Not me.

screw the rvs,

vote chamber

this is a real vote. its called the policy lynch phase. chamber sucks. dgb aint worth a whole lot either..and the new guy seacore may warrant one as well.

feel free to list any more possible policy lynches... i recognized most, and dont see any others, but theres a few i don't know. so let me know....


shift keys broke

what the fuck lol...i didnt realize we were on page 5... i read page one, ahaha

[Pomegranate]

For my future posts:
SerialClergyman=SCM
Seacore=SC

What am I?

Sorry, I had only thought of them because I referenced them both in my post. Seacore asked to be called sea, and since I

do

usually call SerialClergyman SC, I guess you'll be Coug, or a variation thereof.

[BloodCovenent]

BloodCovenant, on the other hand, is scum:

His second post is quibbling other wording rather than explaining lack of vote. He proceeds to attempt to use three people voting in a row as a scumtell - and, worse, to get others to use it as such. For me, this is fairly obviously a nonsense - why would this be indicative of alignment? He goes after Vi for admitting a pressure vote on Seacore, but after a very predictable response ("Seacore looked town"), he says "but you still ping'd my gut" and leaves well alone. That's no good for me - Vi didn't ping his gut, she did something specific and scummy.

unvote, vote: BloodCovenant

Examples from games that I can remember:

Quick and Dirty - Xyl was scum

Newbie 734 - I was scum in that game - Note, I that was my first game, and i didn't know someone else was going vote right after me.

I'm just saying fishy, it's plausible. I can't find any more examples, I know it happened in an ongoing game on my alt, but the game's not finished, so I don't know. I've seen it a few times, and for the most part there is usually scum in those types of successions. I just couldn't find any more examples off the top of my head.

As for asking Xyl, i was trying to see if he remembered Quick and Dirty. And if any other games he had played in, the same thing occurred.

[Vi]

Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

Player-specific meta and the fact that I know one of them *cough* has been onsite recently.

[Xylthixlm]

Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

Player-specific meta and the fact that I know one of them *cough* has been onsite recently.

Fair enough.

[Faraday]

Seems like something scum would say to discredit town. I don't think DGB forgot the teams were small, but wanted to make a point against TM.

I think this is probably correct, I don't find it scummy though.

I don't like the way EK made a contentless posts, other than saying that she'd like to jump on the Seacore wagon.

You pretty much did the same thing yourself.

Farside's 172 makes me twitch. Scum, probably. Says seacore repeated stuff in 154, which is ironic since she's doing mostly the same here and what 'new stuff' is being brought isn't terribly good.

Seacore - 5 - Pomegranate, elvis_knits, devotress, TonyMontana, Farside22 - (L-7)

^Town read on Seacore + Don't particularly like any of these, (TonyMontana probably looks the best) = bad wagon.

Devotress, Pom and Farside looks scummy while elvis doesn't look town, which is unusual as she's usually a beaming signal of townieness.

[Pomegranate]

Seacore - 5 - Pomegranate, elvis_knits, devotress, TonyMontana, Farside22 - (L-7)

^Town read on Seacore + Don't particularly like any of these, (TonyMontana probably looks the best) = bad wagon.

Devotress, Pom and Farside looks scummy while elvis doesn't look town, which is unusual as she's usually a beaming signal of townieness.

I unvoted.