Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

saberwolf · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:04 am

I love Gyarados

saberwolf · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:05 am

I actually just wanted to see if anyone would notice that post later on. I found myself skimming through the last few, especially as I kept refreshing every 10 seconds and seeing new ones pop up...I thought I'd sneak in a little one of my own.

saberwolf · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:07 am

Raider: What about a lurker lynch is the most appealing and the least appealing from a strategy point of view? How about from an information point of view? Do these two views ever coincide? Why or why not?

Sir Chris · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:09 am

saberwolf why did you just ask that random question that has no bearing on alignment.

saberwolf · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:16 am

Sir Chris wrote:saberwolf why did you just ask that random question that has no bearing on alignment.

Getting insight on other players and their playstyles is just as important as figuring out their alignments.

If you wanna be the one to ask him a systematic set of questions repeatedly asking him if he's town or if he's scum, be my guest. I'm sure you'll get very far with that.

Sir Chris · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:17 am

Good answer, leaning town now.

raider8169 · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:19 am

saberwolf wrote:Raider: What about a lurker lynch is the most appealing and the least appealing from a strategy point of view? How about from an information point of view? Do these two views ever coincide? Why or why not?

A lurker needs to be replaced plain and simple with someone who will be active that is just good sense so the game can be played as it is intended.

If the lurker is being anti-town then it changes everything. This was the case with Zwet later on but I got the feeling he was enjoying it as he was completely ignoring everything asked at him.

If getting lurkers or anti-town players replaced is not possible then lynching them is the only thing left. The first day I feel its best to lynch someone who has giving their opinion on people and has been active. For example I would have made a good lynch in this case as I did have my opinion on people and once I am dead and confirmed town you can take what I say more seriously. By lynching a lurker we do not have any confirmed opinions to help with day 2. Lurkers and Anit-town players need to be removed before it gets close to lylo so they do not cost the town the game. Make sense?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:25 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:SirPent is town, folks! But raider sure isn't.

(1) SirPent not lynch worthy according to raider, but the rest of us throwing votes at SirPent is fine with him!!!
(2) Suddenly, gripped with fear of lynching a valuable lurker. Can you say, cheap town cred?
(3) I engineered a key strategic lynch of zwet, a power player, and everyone followed me blindly despite zwet giving off a super town vibe. God forbid such tragedies should happen again!

unvote, vote: raider

raider8169 wrote:(1) Wouldnt this be everyone who is not voting SirPent? I just expressed my thoughts while no one else did. Is that really so bad?

Yes, because those that say nothing aren't campaigning for town cred like you are.

raider8169 wrote:(2) Isnt that what I said with Zwet. If you keep lynching all the lurkers there will be no one left. Lynching all lurkers is going to give scum an easy win. Granted its only 2 at this point but when does it end? There are more lurkers then active players.

We're not even on a lurker hunt.

raider8169 wrote:(3) Huh?

Gadzooks!

Papa Zito · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:53 am

Hayker PbPA

(Numbers are isos)

Post 0: Random vote
Post 1: Fencesitting on voice and change (never any followthrough)
Post 2: Mod question - votecount
Post 3: Discode vote for "rolefishing"
Post 4: Votecount response
Post 5: Quotes Discode, no followthrough
Post 6: Mod scene/voice speculation/flavor speculation
Post 7: KH I synopsis (flavor)
Post 8: Chain of Memories synopsis (flavor)
Post 9: KH II synopis (flavor)
Post 10: KH II synopsis (flavor)
Post 11: Why am I scum?
Post 12: Received prod

So to review we have lots of speculation and flavor with zero scumhunting whatsoever. This is pseudo-helpful, IIoA scum folks.

Papa Zito · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:54 am

Also page 45 is an IQ black hole.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:13 am

Sir Chris wrote:saberwolf why did you just ask that random question that has no bearing on alignment.

That's what scum does. They're not scumhunting, but they like to put the onus on other players. Perfect example.

Papa Zito · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:15 am

...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:18 am

Papa Zito wrote:...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

I know, but there are a lot of players, it's taking a little longer for my town reads to gel.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:30 am

Papa Zito wrote:...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Papa Zito wrote:...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.
I know, but there are a lot of players, it's taking a little longer for my town reads to gel.

That's a much different response than this.

xRECKONERx wrote:All.... twelve of us are scum, DG?

DrippingGoofball wrote:I KNEW that was coming, haha, only a scumbag would pull out this "argument."

Why treat Zito differently when we both insinuate the same thing?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:31 am

So is Zito scum for "pulling out this argument"?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:35 am

I happen to have a town read on Zito and I understood his comment to be making fun of what he perceives to be paranoia. Yep it's different.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:36 am

And mine was......

Shotty to the Body · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:48 am

Reckoner do you think DGB is scum?

Iecerint · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:53 am

Papa Zito wrote:
Hayker PbPA

(Numbers are isos)

Post 0: Random vote
Post 1: Fencesitting on voice and change (never any followthrough)
Post 2: Mod question - votecount
Post 3: Discode vote for "rolefishing"
Post 4: Votecount response
Post 5: Quotes Discode, no followthrough
Post 6: Mod scene/voice speculation/flavor speculation
Post 7: KH I synopsis (flavor)
Post 8: Chain of Memories synopsis (flavor)
Post 9: KH II synopis (flavor)
Post 10: KH II synopsis (flavor)
Post 11: Why am I scum?
Post 12: Received prod

So to review we have lots of speculation and flavor with zero scumhunting whatsoever. This is pseudo-helpful, IIoA scum folks.

There are lots of useless players this game, though. Namely, you could probably do the same with fuzzylightning, joe, and foil/SerPent, though the latter does include some by-looks-of-it-deliberately-awful "analysis."

Reckoner, please vote for someone.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:04 am

xRECKONERx wrote:And mine was......

A serious attempt to discredit me with a truly laughable and transparent argument.

saberwolf · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:09 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:And mine was......
A serious attempt to discredit me with a truly laughable and transparent argument.

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Both of them expressed the opinion that you have too many people labeled as scum. Saying that one is different than the other is utter nonsense. Please try to show some consistency and give players the same amount of respect.

ace5993 · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:11 am

I am V/LA until Tuesday, please don't replace me. Thanks

Iecerint · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:12 am

Sir Chris, as evidence of SerPent's experience, wrote:'I didn't think the vig was a good shot at first because the lynch of zwet would've gotten the same result. But now that I look at how it is day 1 and two people dieing before scum get action a vig made since. '

It is true that there is evidence that SerPent has played the game before, but this is not a good example of what you're talking about.

What happened is that several players started whining about my vig kill, so SerPent joined along. Then other players came/those players changed their minds, SerPent came under scrutiny for his views and comparatively lackluster play, and adjusted his "analysis" to fit the new standard agreed upon by the site. This didn't require any thinking or analysis on his part. He just had to summarize the mainstream perspective on the subject.

So, it shows he is reading the game, but that is all. Given his play, I'm not sure whether that makes me happy with him.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:16 am

saberwolf wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:And mine was......
A serious attempt to discredit me with a truly laughable and transparent argument.
I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Both of them expressed the opinion that you have too many people labeled as scum. Saying that one is different than the other is utter nonsense. Please try to show some consistency and give players the same amount of respect.

I didn't interpret them to be the same at all. Especially since one came after I specifically called the other for it. Reckoner's was much worse.

Iecerint · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:17 am

DGB's behavior is very standard for her as far as I can tell. A town player and scum player both asked her a question, but she interpreted the questions differently due to the inferred context. She'll amend her list when there's evidence it needs amending.

I think you understand that, but you posted it to make yourself look like "the good guy" in this situation.