Can you tell me why you picked these players, and what the links between them are?HowardRoark wrote:Top 3? Zakeri, Bogre, Slicey/DraketheFake.
scumteam atm looks like: DoS, Hacker, Sarag, Zakeri
Can you tell me why you picked these players, and what the links between them are?HowardRoark wrote:Top 3? Zakeri, Bogre, Slicey/DraketheFake.
I'm obviously not worried about being shot by scum-Bogre. Nobody wants to get shot at here, so I don't know how that would be an indicator of alignment.ortolan wrote:drake isn't scum, I'm not scum, Hacker's last post makes me suspect he's worried about being shot by town-Bogre (not that Bogre's other posts haven't themselves been scummy).
Dunno about Sarag.
So all the scum have to do to avoid getting shot is be vocal about a bunch of totally wrong suspicions?Vala Mal Doran wrote:Out of the main few suspicions listed so far, I only think Sarag, slicey, or rite/Hacker would do okay as gunbearers if they are town. Of those people I am currently most suspicious of Sarag, so he may end up being the shot for the day. I'd like more people to weigh in, though.
No. You should find someone who is scummy, period.Vala Mal Doran wrote:Well, I should ideally find someone who is scummy AND would make at least a semi-decent gunbearer if town, at least day 1 when we have relatively little info.
Because you're not taking scum behavior account. Scum can easily make themselves look like bad gunbearers, so if you factor gunbearer quality into your thinking you give the scum an easy way to manipulate you, and the net result is that the town is worse off than if you ignored it entirely in the first place.Vala Mal Doran wrote:Why don't you think it should factor in at all? If I shoot someone like, say, Zakeri, and they turn out to be town, won't they be even less active? Isn't that detrimental to town? Don't I have an obligation to, if I should shoot incorrectly, at least make sure town isn't screwed day 2?
I thought he was null, then I thought he was scum, now I'm thinking he's town because of your concern about being shot by him.Hacker (252) wrote:Are you now thinking that Bogre is scum? Weren't you of the opinion that Bogre is town?
Everyone bar Sarag, DoS, Zakeri 'n' Hacker have acted substantively town, and they have acted substantively scummy. Start killin' these players and we can rap the game up, Vala.Sarag (112) wrote:The case that DraketheFake has mounted against me feels very much like clutching at straws, and like opportunistic bandwagoning (metaphorically of course, since there are no votes - but he followed a few others' accusations that felt more genuine to me). At the risk of being accused of OMGUS, smallFoS: DraketheFake. If anyone actually cares, I will defend but I'd rather not waste everyone's time.
Good point.Yosarian2 wrote:In fact, if you think person X is likely to be scum, but are worried he'd make a bad gunbarer if you're wrong, then the right thing to do would be to shoot them early,instead of risking them becoming gunbarer on a later, more important day.
I don't lurk. I just watch LPsI think Zakeri is lurking again.
It's still bad play, dipping into a test sample of one pool for something as fickle as meta.Ort wrote:Also metaing based on one game isn't scummy in and of itself.
I call slander until you actually pull up these "allusions" and describe how they don't mean anything. I believe I've tried my best to explain why I think your route of attack on DoS is poor and likely scum based.Ort wrote:Zakeri style allusions which don't actually mean anything
I lurk equally in all games, no matter my alignment. More so if those games are running at the same time.Howard wrote:Zakeri: Lurktastic.
Remember the whole "gotcha" discussion where I said that "gotcha" attacks are the same things as psychological scum-tells, and therefore not scummy at all? I do. Were there any other points you raised against me? I don't believe so.Zakeri (267) wrote:I call slander until you actually pull up these "allusions" and describe how they don't mean anything. I believe I've tried my best to explain why I think your route of attack on DoS is poor and likely scum based.
Not at all. I've seen people try to draw meta from 10 different games and because they're n00b @ mafia the meta they have derived is crap and useless anyway. Quality, not quantity. If you work out behaviour that people genuinely have difficulty changing, then it's going to be effective regardless of where it's drawn from (bear in mind I don't even remember who I apparently meta'ed at this point). Noobs are still gonna read 10 different games and say "omg, Zakeri, in 9/10 of your town games your average post length is 3 lines long, in your scum game your average post length was 5 lines long. You have one 6-line post in this gameZakeri (267) wrote:It's still bad play, dipping into a test sample of one pool for something as fickle as meta.
I believe his post he's saying I'm town, but that the general consensus is that I was playing badly by focusing on your predecessors' scumminess, and so might be shot. He's saying that your worried that since I'll then get the gun, I'll shoot you.HackerHuck wrote:I'm obviously not worried about being shot by scum-Bogre. Nobody wants to get shot at here, so I don't know how that would be an indicator of alignment.ortolan wrote:drake isn't scum, I'm not scum, Hacker's last post makes me suspect he's worried about being shot by town-Bogre (not that Bogre's other posts haven't themselves been scummy).
Dunno about Sarag.
Are you now thinking that Bogre is scum? Weren't you of the opinion that Bogre is town?
Slicey wrote: - Bogre thinks he knows the definition of anti-town. You forget that anti-town also means self preservation instead of trying to win. You're anti-town because you are too worried about staying alive instead of trying to help your team.
Well, yeah. As I said earlier:Slicey wrote: Page 5
- Yos as of Post 104, did you think Bogre was scum or not? You didn't really give a stance on him.
I then spent quite a while in a back and fourth with him to try to figure that out.Yosarian2 wrote:Bogre is pretty clearly in the wrong here. i don't know if it makes him scum or not, but he's defiantly not making sense.
Who is this all directed towards? Rite, correct?- Fair enough on both points I made against you. I just don't like that Bogre even asked you the question. I don't think you really should have answered it, because then it gives him a way out. Slight scumtell for you, big scumtell for Bogre. And I had a feeling it was sarcasm, just wasn't sure. However, I don't like your attitude towards Bogre. You seem wishy-washy on him. And I don't really even see Drake's case against you, so the fact that you're worried about it is surprising, and even pretty scummy. Also worried about OMGUS, which town really shouldn't be.