Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[SerialClergyman]

ABR - do you prefer ABR or Albert? I remember you had a strong preference for one over the other but I can't remember which.

Albert is absolutely town by the way. He's scummy, tunnelling, bullying the town awful yet brilliant, provoking OMGUS and replacement in his two primary victims/suspects and most importantly of all he's enjoying this game far too much to be scum.

Still reading, will content post when I can.

[saberwolf]

As I'm reading, something occurs to me.

Saber - could you please tell us your full position on CSL and whether you think his actions make the player slot likely to be scum?

Cheers.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

Something has to be wrong with me lol...I read your post and i was like fuck you im too lazy to do any work for your ass, but i typed this out which probably took more effort to do >.>

[SerialClergyman]

Just give me a gut yes or no - CSL scum or not?

[saberwolf]

Just give me a gut yes or no - CSL scum or not?

oh, thats easy enough ^_^

I have to say no. It seems just too easy to be true.

[dramonic]

The Third Real Votecount: Can't edit em first posts!

SerialClergyman (1): ABR
DarkLightA (1): Hewitt,
hewitt (1): Elli
Albert B. Rampage (2): Netopalis, Saberwolf
Shotty to the Body (1): DarklightA
saberwolf (1): Konowa

Not Voting (5): Farside, KittyMo, SttB, SerialClergyman, Kikuchiyo

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Konowa is being replaced...

Deadline is currently suspended until I get some replacements in, since the game has experienced a stall. Shouldn't be very long

[dramonic]

Ojanen replaces Konowa, effective now!
With this, the game is whole again.
Since you've had a decent amount of time to discuss already, I'll set the deadline to... Christmas Eve.

15 days left boys and girls!

[Ojanen]

Hi.
I've been skimming along. What I have gained of that:

Albert is absolutely town by the way. He's scummy, tunnelling, bullying the town awful yet brilliant, provoking OMGUS and replacement in his two primary victims/suspects and most importantly of all he's enjoying this game far too much to be scum.

This is 100% my impression too.

I couldn't resist joining when I saw what a blast Albert was having.
Apologies to Serial for the magnified stalking effect.

I'm traveling a lot in the next 24 hours plus need to deal with a deadlined game, expect a catchup tomorrow.

[SerialClergyman]

Hi Ojanen! Great to play with you again

I'm not going to get a post up tonight, I think. Should be tomorrow.

[hewitt]

Self voting is a null tell. There is no reason to condemn Serial for CSL's actions.

Welcome replacements!

I need to catch up. There seems to be another page or two behind me.

What killed the Hewitt bandwagon?

Unvote

Where have you been? That was a great job of making yourself so forgettable that you slip through everybody's minds.

Hm. I was under the impression that CSL's scumminess was somewhat dependent on him being scum partners with hewitt. Which makes me wonder why the wagon was redirected to the "secondary" suspect. Seems like those who find CSL scummy should be perfectly happy with a Hewitt lynch, no? Maybe I missed something. I still need to catch up.

That was a great incorrect statement. Yeah, you really need to catch up.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

You honestly still think ABR is scum?

[Netopalis]

Unvote

I really am not looking to bandwagon ABR. My vote was just to accentuate a point. Since he seems to have completely ignored it, I guess it didn't work. I am getting suspicious of Saber, though, for his eagerness to hop onto that idea without putting in much thought.

[saberwolf]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

[DarkLightA]

As I'm reading, something occurs to me.

Saber - could you please tell us your full position on CSL and whether you think his actions make the player slot likely to be scum?

Cheers.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

Something has to be wrong with me lol...I read your post and i was like fuck you im too lazy to do any work for your ass, but i typed this out which probably took more effort to do >.>

I'm starting to think that shotty isn't scum after all, and that saber is more likely to. After all he BW's all over the place! If I remember correctly, he wasn't like that in previous games.

Unvote
Vote: Saber

[DarkLightA]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

Uhh.. Is this some kind of "Next Please!" post?

[farside22]

Self voting is a null tell. There is no reason to condemn Serial for CSL's actions.

Since when? I don't know anyone that self votes late into day 1 when there is a BW on them but scum. If you would care to point out other games in which it was a town player that did this I would like to go personally smack them.

@saber: your win condition and according to the convo I read between you and morph means your supposed to try and play not do have ass stuff to win a bet.

[Shotty to the Body]

Self voting is a null tell. There is no reason to condemn Serial for CSL's actions.

Since when? I don't know anyone that self votes late into day 1 when there is a BW on them but scum. If you would care to point out other games in which it was a town player that did this I would like to go personally smack them.

@saber: your win condition and according to the convo I read between you and morph means your supposed to try and play not do have ass stuff to win a bet.

I'd point you to the game where CSL did that as vanilla town on D1 when he was getting wagoned, but it is ongoing.

[farside22]

Self voting is a null tell. There is no reason to condemn Serial for CSL's actions.

Since when? I don't know anyone that self votes late into day 1 when there is a BW on them but scum. If you would care to point out other games in which it was a town player that did this I would like to go personally smack them.

@saber: your win condition and according to the convo I read between you and morph means your supposed to try and play not do have ass stuff to win a bet.

I'd point you to the game where CSL did that as vanilla town on D1 when he was getting wagoned, but it is ongoing.

Was this a game you were in with him?

[Shotty to the Body]

Yes.

[Netopalis]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

What the heck? I vote ABR to make a point, you hop on and vote him as well. I unvote him because I didn't want too many votes on him, then all of a sudden you feel a loss of conviction and unvote as well?

Vote: Saberwolf

[hewitt]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Why in good heavens would you think vote hopping is a good idea???

[DarkLightA]

Post 209:

Unvote

I really am not looking to bandwagon ABR. My vote was just to accentuate a point. Since he seems to have completely ignored it, I guess it didn't work. I am getting suspicious of Saber, though, for his eagerness to hop onto that idea without putting in much thought.

Post 210:

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

ROFL.

[hewitt]

saberwolf hast most definitely shown a lot of crappy anti-town behavior so far that, in my opinion, makes me a viable lynch. But you most certainly have no room to laugh at him DLA because you've been much worse and you just look like an egghead doing that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

saberwolf hast most definitely shown a lot of crappy anti-town behavior so far that, in my opinion, makes me a viable lynch.

FOS hewitt

[hewitt]

In this particular game saber has vote hopped like no other and will be absolutely impossible to read as scum or town in the later stages of the game considering he has not put any concrete, discernible thought into anything he's done. On top of that, as he knows, I disagree with how he's been playing the site and all the members on it along with animorpherv and I do not condone his behavior.

[Ellibereth]

OK...I read through everything but I'm not completely sure what to post that isn't just repeated what people said...I'll be happy to answer any questions though.

To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.

CSL and saber both seem to have a history of self-voting and vote jumping so I think those are both null.

Albert, do you no longer think that hewitt is definitely scum? It seems the wagon on him fell apart when CSl started getting erratic.

[hewitt]

To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.

...That wasn't even a real case that was a fake case. I don't think Netopalis is scummy at all and that "case" didn't need a response from him.