Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[Sir Chris]

Actually, I do find that post rather useless, despite your implied sarcasm.

[RayFrost]

also completely crap posting

[RayFrost]

also utter crap

[Sir Chris]

I like that you are defending your own posts from early in the game, but uh, those posts from saber are crap.

[RayFrost]

man, there's just so much crap!

[Sir Chris]

Well that last post was pretty good. I need to not use stuff like "all", it is rarely true.

[saberwolf]

P.S. when examining content there is no such things as facts, by the way, all content and how it should be weighted is subjective, bad use of a cliched phrase imo.

Fact: I've placed more [contentual] input than you
Fact: You have been targeted for unrighteous tunneling by a couple of people in this game, whereas I have not.
Fact: Most of your posts have been bitch posts more than anything, especially your last 10 or so. I have a couple of fluff posts, but otherwise I have been fairly active and spread my attention among many, not just a select few.

And yes, I made up the word contentual, go me

[disclaimer: I simply am putting SC down in a hopefully constructive manner, I hope he is man enough to take from this what he can.]

[RayFrost]

this is crap too

also complete crap

[saberwolf]

Methinks RF has made his point, and is simply trying to boost his ppd count now

[RayFrost]

No, I made those as my last one. Besides, my ppd doesn't need boosting here.

I'm in like... 8 games.

I'm active in all but one of them.

[Sir Chris]

Poor Ray can't read.

Also rather than be man enough and take it, because frankly I am a total and complete bitch while I play mafia, I'll just note the following things about my mafia philosophy, and you'll probably call me a noob and say it is flawed and we'll all have fun.

1. I don't think you've really done more contentual (good word by the way) input than I have.
2. Well, given that the people saying that could very well be scum, I don't really care.
3. I am a bitch, tis true, but also I feel that constantly trying to spread out one's attention over many targets at the end of the day weakens your ability to catch scum on a whole, especially if scum is clever. I have talked about a lot of people, but I am not one to spread the love around equally. I think I have found scum, therefore I feel it is my duty to post about it a lot, get reactions, get people talking, start new chains, and just keep talking. I admit I am not the most pleasant person to play to, in part because I am trying my best to get my feet under me here, and I am used to playing in a place where I had a book of tells on just about every player.

I play paranoid, it is how I am. I view all of you as potential scum and when people say something that doesn't jive with me, I tend to wonder if it was scummy or just something that doesn't jive with me. My instincts and my mafia experience tells me that DoS is scum. Tunneling isn't always wrong, especially after I've given my thoughts on a variety of subjects. However if you feel I have missed any important subplots, do tell me, I am always interested in providing more broad content, even if I want to put a bullet into DoS.

[RayFrost]

Content isn't just "post a bunch o' words"

It's "post something meaningful" which i feel that saber has done.

Meaning doesn't have to be five paragraphs, it can be just one line. (note: zwet is not qualified in content, though he does take the one line bit to heart)

If saber begins to stop posting content, or his content:noise ratio lowers, I'll find him scummy.

Until then, I focus more on what's said rather than how much is said.

note: this is totally a mafia play theory esque post

[Sir Chris]

I am aware of that, I think I have too, though you obviously disagree.

Basically I am getting the feeling I am working on a different playbook than you guys. You think certain things are scummy, while my experience elsewhere says other stuff is scummy. Earlier in the topic I couldn't help but feel that I was just the newb being ignored. I mean, if you say I am wrong at least that is something.

[RayFrost]

It's playstyle differences.

Also, shorter days elsewhere require different skill sets.

More a matter of different than wrong.

[Sir Chris]

Fair enough.

BTW Frost, if it means anything to you, one of your posts gave me a sharp town read on you, so I'll give more weight to your opinions from now on.

[saberwolf]

Content isn't just "post a bunch o' words"

It's "post something meaningful" which i feel that saber has done.

Meaning doesn't have to be five paragraphs, it can be just one line. (note: zwet is not qualified in content, though he does take the one line bit to heart)

If saber begins to stop posting content, or his content:noise ratio lowers, I'll find him scummy.

Until then, I focus more on what's said rather than how much is said.

note: this is totally a mafia play theory esque post

I'm just gonna pre-empt you right here than and announce I'm in exam period. I am bound to be on less, especially after this week is over. I will do my best to keep posting, but you may see a slight decrease as the exams get closer.

[Iecerint]

Understood, raider.

I share RF's contention about your earliest play, SC. Your early posts read like you're more interested in INFORMATION than briefly presenting an argument and adding some rhetoric as necessary. (It is much better now that you have an avatar, though.) You did improve in the bit just before I replaced in IIRC (IMO).

If you think that you've noticed a good scumtell, please explain it succinctly and clearly. It may be that we are not understanding your argument because it is unclear to us. For example, I understand that DoS is an anti-town lurker, but I don't see how that differentiates him from zwet, fuzzylightning, et al.

I think RF's point about raider's discrepancy is a good point. (Granted, I made it before him about the DoS/Iec tunneling discrepancy.) Town (usually) has no motivation to treat players unequally. Scum do.

[RayFrost]

content:noise ratio, saber, not number of posts.

Sir Chris:

Oh do tell on which post, share with the class~

[Sir Chris]

mafia theory post.

Also Hm, sure, let me try to restate it again.

Although DoS is a lurker, that isn't my "main" problem with him.

My problem is actually the posts he has provided moreso than the absence of them. I found it extremely scummy that he backed off so quickly on me at the first sign of me having a pulse in this game, as if he really wanted to avoid any sort of "trouble" that a lynch might have provided. I find it more likely that a rusty scum player would want to avoid trouble than a rusty town player. What further made me believe this is his vote on zwet, a person who fit the same archetype as myself as a 'safe lynch.' So I am voting him because I believe that his votes lack a genuine feel behind them that I come to expect from town who is earnestly trying to win the game.

I don't know if that is any better.

[RayFrost]

Iec:

I haven't read your post in response to raider yet.

SC:

gotcha, that makes it clearer.

[Cobalt]

now that that slapfight is out of the way, allow me to observe that zwets was online and posting, but ignored this thread. How many votes does he have?

[Iecerint]

RF, I acknowledged his post in the first line of my previous post. Since his post was explanatory in nature and I accepted his explanation, I didn't see any need to continue that discussion with him. Let me know if you think I am neglecting something specific.

SC, that is much clearer. I've just read through DoS in iso, and I think I may have a different interpretation of his play. On the one hand, I agree that he is focusing on lurkers. His votes have been for DeathNote, you (ex-lurker due to work), and zwet, which I would normally find very troubling. But the circumstances of his unvote on you read to me like he's using his votes to encouraging active play from lurkers rather than find easy targets. When you factor in that the DeathNote vote was page 1 and the zwet vote is accompanied by a (brief) discussion of his play here differing from his meta, I think this is the most parsimonious explanation.

(I should also note that I am not confident in my ability to read DoS because I was 95% certain that he was scum in Moviestar Madness, but was mistaken.)

[Sir Chris]

Yes,but, why would he use his vote to encourage active play when he himself can't seem to encourage himself to play active? It isn't just the fact that he is lurking, it is that possible scenarios like yours come off as weird if that is truly what he is thinking.

[Iecerint]

Unvote; Vote: zwets

. I believe this is 12 votes..

L-2

. But check me.

[Iecerint]

Hmm. That's a decent point. I know he's been posting elsewhere on the site a bit, too.