Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[xRECKONERx]

...this Cobalt vote bothers me.

[Shotty to the Body]

...this Cobalt vote bothers me.

Why? Is he your scum-buddy?

[xRECKONERx]

No. I just think it's too quick for people to be like YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. Why did nobody figure out his "scumminess" before page 25?

[Iecerint]

If Slicey decides that indicating that I "was there" when you played with DN constitutes a violation of the spirit of the rule, that's fine. I could see no other way to address your point. That level of allusion (I was deliberately very vague) is well within the spirit of the rule IMO.

Regardless of that, there is literally no reason for you to have posted that as town. Justify your play or claim in your next post.

[Shotty to the Body]

No. I just think it's too quick for people to be like YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. Why did nobody figure out his "scumminess" before page 25?

Why did people do that with Zwet? Ice (that's what I'm shortening your name to sorry) said it was a tell he didn't explain yet, how can anyone agree with it?

[Iecerint]

Reckoner, do you think that Cobalt is town, or do you just think it's odd that Shotty voted Cobalt with me? Did you miss Cobalt's recent post? If so, does it change your perspective?

The secret scumtell should be pretty self-evident by this point.

[Gorrad]

ATTENTION DUELISTS!

My hair is going to

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

I've given in a good amount of thought, and come to the conclusion (Which most of y'all have already reached) that Zwet's play is significantly different from his norm, to the point of scumminess. Also, it seems like he's trying to use his own meta to frame his bandwagon as policy when, from what I can tell, it is not.

Other scum may include DisCode, DeathNote, Saberwolf, and MAYBE Cobalt, in order of scumminess, most to least. I see where his wagon's coming from, but I've got a big gut townread.

[Shotty to the Body]

ATTENTION DUELISTS!

My hair is going to

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

I've given in a good amount of thought, and come to the conclusion (Which most of y'all have already reached) that Zwet's play is significantly different from his norm, to the point of scumminess. Also, it seems like he's trying to use his own meta to frame his bandwagon as policy when, from what I can tell, it is not.

Other scum may include DisCode, DeathNote, Saberwolf, and MAYBE Cobalt, in order of scumminess, most to least. I see where his wagon's coming from, but I've got a big gut townread.

So you think the meta reasoning against Zwet is stronger than any of the other scum-tells that have been dropped so far?

[Iecerint]

I find it a little odd that Cobalt can pull what he did on page 24 and be anything other than obvscum unless he can provide a very good reason.

[Cobalt]

Sooo... what's your secret scumtell?

[Slicey]

Iecerint receives a warning for discussing an ongoing game. Please don't do it again, or you will be modkilled.

[Cobalt]

lol, on second thought maybe you shouldn't tell us :S

[Kdub]

This game is moving fast, but I think I'm caught up. Here are thoughts on various wagons and recent developments:

I am keeping my vote on DisCode until he explains his early gameplay, or until he is replaced and his replacement is able to do so. I don't see any reason to take pressure off him just because he hasn't posted.

I'm not really liking the zwet wagon. Reckoner, I don't really agree that he is playing the same way he was as scum in Empire at War. He was much more active in pushing wagons on town, whereas here he is not really doing anything. Maybe others have different opinions of his scum meta, but based on that one game I've played with him where he was scum, I think he played different from what he is doing in this game.

I kinda liked where Iecerint was going with his case on Cobalt, though maybe he can't push it as much anymore. It seemed like Iec pointed out an inconsistency in his reasoning, and Cobalt didn't really have a good response other than something along the lines of "I didn't think it was worth correcting". I'll put down an

FoS: Cobalt

, but I'm sticking with my vote on DisCode for now.

[Iecerint]

Gorrad, why do you think saberwolf is scum? Reading you in iso, the only time you mentioned he might be scum was when you mocked him for voting zwet.

Also, I maintain my request for Cobalt votes. zwet is a minimally painful mislynch, but I would be shocked if Cobalt were town.

[Kdub]

Mod: The latest vote count is incorrect, I am currently voting for DisCode.

[Slicey]

stupid 'd' names. >_>

also votecount coming in a sec.

[Iecerint]

The Mod has indicated that this is an acceptable post:

The now-obvious "secret scumtell" was Cobalt's deliberate and unsubtle attempt to get me modkilled.

Discode is a decent alternate wagon. I agree that his claim was very odd. I have an idea of why he may have done what he did, but I'm less sure of how the outcome affected his alignment.

[Slicey]

Cobalt also receives a warning for attempting to get Iecerint to discuss an ongoing game.

[Slicey]

Maleficent: Enough. The Keyblade has chosen him. Will it be he who conquers the darkness? Or will the darkness swallow him? Either way, he could be quite useful...

The Fifth Vote Count:
zwetschenwasser (9): wolframnhart, Cobalt, DragonsofSummer, ace5993, xRECKONERx, Papa Zito, Kise, saberwolf, Gorrad
DisCode (2): Hayker, Kdub
Cobalt (2): Iecerint, Shotty to the Body
Vaya (1): RayFrost
Sir Pent (1): Vaya
MafiaSSK (1): Sir Pent
wolframnhart (1): zwetschenwasser
Plum (1): Deathnote
RayFrost (1): MafiaSSK
fuzzylightning (1): Plum
Gorrad (1): DTMaster
DragonsofSummer (1): Sir Chris
Deathnote (1): DisCode

Not Voting: raider8169, Sajin, joe478, fuzzylightning

With 26 votes available, it will take 14 to lynch.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: cobalt

[Cobalt]

I wasn't trying to get you to discuss an ongoing game, I WARNED you that the game was ongoing!

[Iecerint]

I think anyone can read our exchange on the previous page and see that that was probably not the case. I think you were hoping that I would discuss the game and be modkilled whereupon you could claim innocence due to having forgotten about said game. You abandoned this strategy when it was clear that I saw what you were trying to do.

[Cobalt]

That isn't the case at all, and I'm offended that you would accuse me of such a strategy. I'm here to win, but not by abusing tricks in the rules. When you asked, I didn't know what game we'd played together in- then I looked back and saw it was an ongoing and said so.

[Iecerint]

I cannot, except with extreme suspension of disbelief, accept that those were your true intentions. I think you would have "warned" me in a manner slightly less likely to result in a modkill had that been your true intent. You also wouldn't have brought it up again this page.

[Cobalt]

I warned you 12 minutes after asking what game it was. And as for bringing it up again, I didn't- I asked what your secret tell was. Then I realized what it was after Slicey posted the warning and told you NOT to discuss it.