Newbie 871 - Game Over Town Win

[Incognito]

Let's see if I can create some discussion points for you.

1)

You know that point that you brought up about boberz? I happen to think that made him look very town. Why, you ask? Because I think it would be very unlikely for a pro-scum newbie to challenge a pro-town IC with a serious vote especially in the opening gates of the game. A pro-

town

newbie doing that same thing seems to fit better. What are your thoughts about that?

2)

I think this post makes ksen look town. What do you think about it?

3)

Filter herd's posts and filter Annachie's posts. What general impression do you get when you do that?

4)

Ether and Patrick are pretty obvtown right now. Agree/disagree?

gogogo.

[RayFrost]

Working on it.

[RayFrost]

1) Hmmm... that makes sense, I'll need to look deeper into boberz's posts before I give you a definite read on 'im.

2) null tell, seems like ignorance more than anything else

3) herd's posted very little... he waffled in regards to boberz in his 2nd post of the game (omg, correlation!) even though he initially said he had a read. later says he has a strong town read on boberz... yeah... herd is scum so far. later calls out annachie & ksen when pressure is mounting on him, feels like a huge attempt at deflection (that's flailing, ain't it), yeah, herd is still scum. I'll read annachie before tossing down my oh so awesome vote

moving on to annachie now...

power rolls are tasty, but prodding people to speculate on it is not, early scum read... fence sitting for darth while claiming meta for something = scum points... votes herd despite having two scummier reads... scum points again... seriously, is this a CSL-turned big poster alt? backtracks on reasoning for voting herd to a softer tell later... okay, screw it. annachie is scum

vote: annachie

seriously. way too many scum tells for me to go through all of them...

4) yes ether, maybe patrick - meta on ether says yes, no meta on patrick so maybe

[RayFrost]

Hey, I think this is a good system.

If everybody points to things they want from me, I can go about doing them~

Anyway, I hate reading from the start, but I'm on pg 3, so I might make it in a few hours.

<----- slow reader, sadly

[Incognito]

Why Annachie over herd?

[RayFrost]

More scum tells on annachie than herd. - probably cuz herd hasn't posted enough

[Incognito]

Keep reading. Those discussion points were only meant to be a starting point created out of generosity.

[RayFrost]

Thanks Incog <3

[Annachie]

Ether, you don't see 'Incog's sayin that he's town so you declare it as well' and then saying "Do I have to do the research, [[Incog's]] town" as iffy?

Do you think that I decided that you were scum based on some of your page 2 posts but waited until page 12 (or so) before mentioning it? Nope, it was seeing some of your later responses, such as the above, that made me take a good look at your early stuff.

Those three quotes I made really look like someone setting up some defense for themselves, and to my mind that's scummy.

she says this kind of stuff as town all the time:

In no particular order:

Incognito's town, Eldarad's town, Mizzy's town, Elmo's town, Scot's town. Ether's town.

So that's nice.

I am even more sure now that Eldarad is town.

That would be an opinion leading to her declaration

Anyway, Moose is town

, The Many/Incognito is

probably

town, I feel obligated to temporarily write off McRookie for that goon question even though I don't really understand it. Thoooooooooooose newbflakes.

Probably

. Yet another opinion leading to her declaration

Columbo is town. Fluffy is town. Ray is town.

Yes, it was day 1 admitadly.

Page 38!

Incog, is there a reason you seem to jump to Ether's defense so readily?

[RayFrost]

ITT annachie misrepresents incognito and misinterprets what chainsaw is

[Ether]

Annachie, are you going to fucking commit to RayFrost yet?

Incog, is there a reason you seem to jump to Ether's defense so readily?

Because I'm town?

[Annachie]

4. interruptions (*ahem*)

5 yr old nagging, 6 yr old throwing a tantrum, 13 yr old BORED!, 3 yr old insisting on sitting on me as I type.

You have a lot to learn about interuptions .

Ether, that's just a small example of why it can take me hours to write even a post up. Even a small one. Then again, for my last one the kids were outside for most of it. The one before, was at lunchtime (At least according to the kids

and off I go to the kitchen to break up more yelling

[Incognito]

Incog, is there a reason you seem to jump to Ether's defense so readily?

I had a feeling you'd say this eventually.

My pointing out Ether's meta wasn't really a defense; your case against Ether completely hinged on this idea that Ether committed what you considered to be a major scum tell by outright declaring that one or two players were town. The definition of a scum tell is as follows: a scum tell is some action X that scum has a higher probability of doing than some town member ever does. By pointing out Ether's meta, I was showing you that the action X that you considered to be a major scum tell against Ether (definitively calling someone town) is NOT actually a scum tell for her because she has a tendency to do that as town AND scum and that I even thought that it was something that was more likely to come from an Ether town -- that by definition is what would be called at worst a "null tell" (something that cannot be pinned down to someone of any particular alignment) or a town tell (something that a townsperson is more likely to do than a scumbag).

I even explicitly told you the following:

If you've got some other reason for voting Ether, then that's cool, and I think you should probably bring that to the forefront rather than what you have now.

Why did I say this? Because I already felt like I did a pretty good job of showing you that the scum-tell avenue that you were choosing to pursue (definitively calling someone town) was a waste of time in the case of Ether and that if you're town and STILL genuinely believed Ether to be scum, then you should focus your energy on something else that is genuinely a scum-tell for Ether. You still haven't done this.

[Ether]

Watch him not commit to RayFrost.

[Annachie]

I'm starting right after I made the previous post

What I'm thinking.

Ok, now we are getting to the point of fiding a worthwhile wagon to get to a lynch. Even if I don't agree with that particular person's lynching. What's important is that it's resolves the most for the most people, and of course will actually get to the five votes needed. A mislynch is much better than a no-lynch at this point, unless it was random lynch of course.

I'll start with the ones I consider least worthwhile (at this stage):
Patrick, Incog (Though this changes dramatically if Ether is scum), Boberz. (No-one's showed much interest in a Boberz vote lately (iirc) and I tend to doubt it would get up either)


Most worthwhile:
Ether (Duh!), Incog(*), RayFrost (Incog had some good reasons iirc), Herd.

Middling:
Ksen, Tyrope, Me. Not sure what we would learn from Tyrope, Ksen might be worthwhile but unlikely to get up, and I'm not sure I can put myself in either of the other two catagories. (I can't look at myself independantly enough)

If I shify my vote, and I suspect that I will, it would have to be RayFrost as he is at L-2 and would resolve things for a couple of people. But I suspect we are a couple of days from that.

I just refreshed another tab to show me anything that had been posted in the 2 hours it's taken me to sit down and actually write this.

Annachie, are you going to fucking commit to RayFrost yet?

I'm still working on the stuff the Incog posted 4 hours ago (As I type). The response to my question at the bottim of post#342. But I suspect I just did.

But in looking at the quotes that Incog provided earleir of your previous games, and your post that I quoted there, I'm going to read a bit of those mini-games. Posibility of more psychology happening.

Which means Ray's post will have to wait a few more hours.

(

Tommorow may, or may not, be a good day for me. My wife and I are literally in the middle on an IVF cycle. 10 kids is not enough. If tommorow disapeers, I will be back tommorow night)


* About the time RayFrost joined us, I discovered that Patrick was currently modding a game so I poked my head into it and noticed that he'd included a link to "How to be a good IC". So I read it. Lynching Incog(the IC) is worthwhile because a scum Incog is under posting restrictions and we might learn from it.

[Annachie]

Watch him not commit to RayFrost.

The curse of taking 3 hours (or so) to write. (It's dinner time for me btw) I said he was the best option for a vote before you made the above post. (Or at least before I saw it anyway)

If you want it now then

unvote Ether

But it will return day 2

Vote RayFrost

[Ether]

Temporary

unvote

. I don't want RayFrost selfhammering before the Herd replacement gets here.

What the hell took you to comment on him

at all?

(And I've been asking that for ages.)

I'm still working on the stuff the Incog posted 4 hours ago (As I type).

Yes, of course you're talking to the guy you're only indirectly suspicious of. Of course it's not worth your precious kid time to respond to

my

posts and

my

responses.

Incognito is not a "worthwhile lynch" because Incognito is town.

[Annachie]

ITT annachie misrepresents incognito and misinterprets what chainsaw is

Actually Ray, Incog mis-represented Ether's meta.

I'm picking up on her using definitives early on day 1, he lists quotes showing that she's done it before, but those quotes (or the posts they came from) indicate less definitate answers (Opinions) or in the last case, was from much further into the game.

A chainsaw is "ripping into someone who is pressuring a third party", and whilst "Ripping" is too strong a word for it in this case, it is what he is doing, and has done before. (To Boberz iirc)

[Ether]

It occurs to me that I'm getting riled up over someone who has no credibility, and who I'm suspicious of and can just lynch tomorrow.

Carry on, guys.

[Annachie]

Ether, Ray has been at L-2 for 221 posts, or 60% of the game (by post count), hits L-1 and you unvote within 1 post or 9 minutes?

I have no opinion on RayFrost yet, but thought it was the best lynch option based on Incog's thoughts and yours and Ksen's votes.

What has changed in your mind?

[Ether]

Temporary

unvote

. I don't want RayFrost selfhammering before the Herd replacement gets here.

Please pay attention, Annachie.

Since when do you take Incognito's thoughts seriously?

[Ether]

Or--even worse--seeing

my

vote as a good reason to join me. Remember that part where you were hell-bent on reading me as scum in spite of all logic and reason and experienced advice to the contrary?

Incidentally, RayFrost signed up for another game.

[Annachie]

lol. When it comes to game mechanics and strategy and stuff, I take them, and yours and Patricks, very seriously.

Which is part of why I've asked him so many questions.


So, oh fountain of wisdom (Incog, though feel free Ether and Patrick). I know what self-hammering is, I just don't understand why it would be used. Can you enlighten me? (I wouldn't have asked but it was brought up so ...)

[Ether]

Uh, no you don't? And RayFrost isn't "game mechanics and strategy and stuff" any more than I am.

Scumbags sometimes selfhammer to end the day before the town is ready to stop discussing stuff. Having said that, once Herd is replaced, I'm pretty much ready to kill RayFrost.

[Annachie]

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