Open 185 v2.0: JK9 (Game Over)

[populartajo]

That would be bad. where is tajo? He was much more active before.

a) I forgot I had already confirmed for this game.

b) Im currently doing my thesis. I will check only in the nights.

With that said, I will

vote kyle99

Uh, vote:joe478. Gotta love the RVS.

So, anybody want to talk? Nobody seems to be discussing, just voting.

If you love the RVS, then why are you calling people on his random voting ways?

[populartajo]

kyle, what type of discussion exactly are you trying to accomplish? How do you think discussion starts?

What is your experience in mafia games?

[populartajo]

Ok, this is by far the slowest game I've ever played in. Come on people, please, just post.

kyle, this post reads to me like you have played more than one game. Clarify?

[populartajo]

Ok, this is by far the slowest game I've ever played in. Come on people, please, just post.

kyle, this post reads to me like you have played more than one game. Clarify?

Well, for example, I'm playing in Mayor Mafia right now, and its day one and 11 pages. Also, newbie 866 was also double-digit pages on the first day.

Its not like day 1 is over in this game, is it?

Im starting to agree with you that this game is dying.

Mod, please mass prod.

[populartajo]

Unvote

vote: kyle

because he worded a sentence wrong.

okay, csl, why is wording a sentence wrong a reason to put kyle at L-1?

[populartajo]

Sup people, I already said I was going to be busy at least for a month and will only post at nights.

Something that caught my attention:

Nope, I'm saying I voted for you because I wanted to vote for someone to even it up at 2-2, and it was either you or CSL, and I just voted randomly.

kyle, why did you think it was important to even up the vote count?

I hate slow games.

I really hate them.

That was just to get discussion going

But it didn't.

Unvote

As town, do you always do things to get discussion going? Is this the first time?

I dont like kyle's justification for voting csl. You are putting someone at l-1 while at the same time asking for an explanation. The vote stinks.

I really like the way qooq posts. You arent new to the game, are you?

Ginzkey is also good.

Excuse me, but did you contradict yourself?

FoS: Qooq

this fos is also dumb.

Im up for csl claiming. I totally plan to vote him unless he gives me a good reason not to.

[populartajo]

You mean jailkeeper right?

[populartajo]

Ok, guyz, lets play this game called "I counterclaim".

If you are the jailkeeper, please counterclaim. A 1 jailkeeper-1 scumbag trade is an excellent trade.

If nobody counterclaims, then csl becomes confirmed town. And we decide a better lynch. Scum decide in the night if they want to keep him alive or not.

And we are all happy.

I dont counterclaim.

[populartajo]

psst, qooq, you are not playing the game...

[populartajo]

FoS; Ginzkey

If you are indeed the JK, which you are not, why didn't you claim during your last post?

wtf, dude. She did claim during her last post...

Totally believing more Ginzkey than CSL. Who the hell foses someone that just counterclaimed? So my vote is going for him.

But...

I really want input from EVERYONE before we proceed with this lynch. The day has been short and I really want to hear people's thoughts on the last 4 pages.

[populartajo]

Hmm, an interesting twist to say the least. I’m not sure that the counterclaim was a good decision, though. I wish I had gotten in a post before Ginz claimed Jailkeeper. We had plenty to work with and had plenty of time. Alas, safe to say I will be highly interested in what happens tonight and will be closely watching tajo as the day begins tomorrow.

Vote: CSL

As it is too late to debate the consequences of a counterclaim, this vote is pretty easy. CSL has been suspicious to me the entire game and joe’s logic in post 93 is sound to me. Twilight time.

meh, I definitely wanted more input from the rest of the players...

why do you want to watch me closely?

Looking for counterclaims was the optymal play.

[populartajo]

If nobody had counterclaimed csl, do you think he would have been lyched?

I totally agree with joe's reasoning in 93. Its basically an application of my theoretical example in 87.

Finally, I asked people not to back off. I wanted to have everyone commenting on this situation to get better reads. I dont feel confortable with going to night in page 4, even if we have found one scum.

[populartajo]

I don't think he would've been lynched tonight. Tonight, meaning, December 9th, 2009. We would have had more time, that I am sure of. I am not arguing that it was better than a counterclaim, in fact, there is a chance this counterclaim could be much, much better than waiting and delaying a lynch, but who is to say we couldn't have counterclaimed after debunking his claim a bit?

Because its not optymal. As you realize, not forcing a counterclaim will make us lose time and probably give more time for scum to think about the situation, more probs of messing with the claim, etc.

If you didn't want someone to be lynched on page 4 (do page numbers have some sort of significance to you, by the way?) then why call for a counterclaim?

more page numbers = more posts = better reads. I think this is pretty easy to understand.

The ask for a counterclaim play is pretty much the optymal play in these situations. It either gets us a confirmed town we are about to lynch or we get a confirmed scumbag. If nobody had counterclaimed, csl would pretty much had survived the day, we would prob have lynched town and we would prob be in the same situation we are today.

If anything, something like a counterclaim would speed up the lynch process exponentially, like it has here. I guess I'm just not understanding your mentality. Paraphrasing from my point of view, you want the topic to be fully discussed, yet you propose a rather extreme idea that inspires a lynch whose logic you fully agree with.

those two things are not mutually exclusive. The best example is me not voting for csl even I think he is lying. I explained in my post that I would vote him after all the players expressed their opinions on the sitaution. If he is scum, as I strongly lean, we have another one to catch and Im pretty sure you dont have reads on all the players.

[populartajo]

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

Use your action on me tonight.

Umm... any chance for further explanation? That came out of left field. As far as I understand, we don't have a lot of time during twilight so the quicker the better.

Actually, no explanation here. We dont need to know more.

[populartajo]

Someone send me a PM when this game is over.