The following is a response to
post 995:
Firstly, your "why is Sanjay not obv town after the events of day 1" hypothesis is a nice little hypothesis. I think it is a little conceited to think that I so feared your onslaught that I would bus my flying under the radar Godfather to avoid it, but alright. There are some points I think are a little iffy (like I couldn't go back to the AlmasterGM wagon, yeah right, I can do anything I want). But it doesn't much matter. I'm not as concerned with convincing you I'm obv town than in seeing what your reasons are for thinking I'm not.
And it seems like your me being scum hypothesis is pretty tied in to foilist13 being scum. Is that an unfair assessment?
As for why I wasn't feeling the foilist13 wagon anymore, does anyone know why anyone feels anything? Feelings are strange and fickle mistresses of the mind and what is one day one's fervent passion can the next day be the slightest afterthought. I know feelings can be scary, but sometimes we just have to accept them.
But more seriously, I think foilist13's little "dead man walking" routine kind of made me think I was wrong about him. I stand by why I voted for him and I do think it was kind of weird that he cited the fact that I thought his argument was convincing as a point for him, but it could come from town.
What kind of gets me head scratching is your little explanation of town vs scum and scum vs scum. Let's see them again:
archaebob wrote:Scum vs. Town -
When I read the exchange thinking that it's scum-Muffin vs. town-Chinaman all along, it really doesn't work for me. And this is because Muffin being scum requires him to be aware of all the roles,
including the fact that Chinaman is town
. I fail to see what Muffin would have to gain from tunneling a town player who nobody else was even looking at seriously, especially given the existence by that point of other much more plausible lynch candidates. Why would he waste his time getting himself so strongly associated with Chinaman, a town player, at the expense of an early spot on either a mislynch or a bus wagon? I can see how poor play could possibly be involved, but I
know
that Muffin is an intelligent player, and this explanation is not particularly satisfying.
Scum vs. Scum -
This option, however, makes perfect sense. The two scum have a go at each other, over NOTHING. There are serious payoffs to this. 1) They seem like they are doing something, when they aren't. 2) One of them getting lynched is pretty implausible, over all. 3) If one of them DOES get lynched, town points go to the other player.
It's mega-distancing, and SEEMS like town vs. town. What better way is there for two scum to slip under the radar?
Which, btw, they pretty much did. I'd bet pretty heavy money that had Muffin not been replaced by a total non-poster, he would have survived till at least today.
Unfortunately, due to a fluke, Muffin wound up flipping prematurely. And now, I'm having a very difficult time seeing his interactions with Chinaman as scum vs. town.
Firstly, saying Muffin was tunneling Chinaman is a big ol' misrepresentation. When Chinaman let up, Muffin let up. Muffin trying to get something going on Chinaman, keeping it up long enough to see if it'll work, and giving up on it. Not tunneling at all.
Secondly, are you telling me that you fail to see what Muffin would have to gain from attacking a town player who nobody else was even looking at seriously? Are you reading your own posts? If being early on a mislynch wagon is important to a scum player, what could be better than starting your own mislynch wagon?
Muffin is an intelligent player, but you think all Muffin should have been capable of is jumping on to other people's wagons. Kind of some cognitive dissonance here. Besides, this was page 4. The fact that no one had looked at Chinaman seriously means absolutely nothing. At that point in the game, it definitely wasn't locked in stone who was going to be the day's lynch. Your analysis of why the interaction isn't scum vs town has some REALLY weird assumptions.
I don't think Chinaman had a go at Muffin over nothing. Chinaman had a go at Muffin because Muffin made a bad case against him and in his mind misrepresented him. That doesn't seem legitimate to you?
You are stretching a lot to make this "Sanjay is scum" thing work, archaebob.
