Flash Mafia: You won!

[RayFrost]

Do I confirm ITT?

/confirm

also, myko, did you forget rule 19, or is that a red herring?

[RayFrost]

17) My word is final. If you have a problem with it, see rule 19.

[RayFrost]

obv jester

dayvig kill mufasa, kthx

[RayFrost]

Vote: roflcopter

obv NK immune double killing, triple voting sk

needs to die now

[RayFrost]

Mufasa is obv jester

don't lynch him!

[RayFrost]

Mufasa is obv jester

don't lynch him!

Is an obv liar, lynch him

obv OMGUS

thus, obv jester

[RayFrost]

I'm willing to take the gamble on a jester (hint: its not) to lynch someone asking to be lynched.

...

scum buddies?

vote: Mufasa

well, two scum outed.

[RayFrost]

l-2 is dangerous?

I always thought l-1 was the no-go zone

I also didn't realize it was l-2 ._.

<---- doesn't keep track

[RayFrost]

He's stirring the pot, obv.

unvote

vote: snow white

for being town last game we had together. obv she's scum this game

[RayFrost]

vote: rayfrost

for attempting to regress the game back to random votes when we obviously don't need random votes anymore. only scum want to hide in random votes instead of interact with the real action.

...

huh?

What real interaction is there at this point?

[RayFrost]

lol.

I considered everything except mike re: various players re: mufasa to be RVS.

My vote is on SW cuz she sometimes falls into lurking states.

This vote will prevent that.

Anyways~

I don't agree with mike on the opportunism bit.

[RayFrost]

so what does not agreeing with mike make you feel about his alignment? how does voting someone who hasn't even posted yet for "lurking" help the town? why shouldn't i simply believe its a way for you to avoid doing anything worthwhile and avoid attention yourself?

Neutral about mike - disagreement is not a scum tell, imo

I'm not voting SW for lurking so much as to remind her not to in some future point.

Eh, your choice. It's an either or situation, and I can't think of anything to contribute at this point (outside of question answering) due to lack of interaction that I feel is indicative of alignment or some such.

As you should know by now, I suck as town.

This will remain so.

Unless you intend to school me, wise one?

[RayFrost]

leaning more town on it than not:

he could've just hopped on as well or fence sat, but he instead suspected people for bandwagoning.

otoh:

mike-scum could do that to wrongly place town in suspicion early on (maybe adding a scum buddy in the suspicion to spice it up).

I find the first more likely though.

[RayFrost]

I'm so glad I could Stir this stew

start adding some ingredients (contributing real content) or die in a fire

[RayFrost]

OMGUS

Vote Ray Frost

for our previous game. No arguing, i was scum. I couldnt be town for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. The mundanity of it all! Someone this arrogant need to be lost. Early.

For the overall benefit of the town. If he's scum. All the better!!

-Actual content tomorrow real time.

rofl is 10x more arrogant than I am. He's still awesome as town (and scum too).

Besides, I voted for lurker-town instead of lurker-scum in lylo. I can't be blamed for fang's fail. Second time it's happened, and now I has improveded.

yeah, snow white needs to die.

ktxhbai

[RayFrost]

spyrex, opinion on mbf's thing?

opinion on roflcopter's thing?

opinion on my thing?

[RayFrost]

reasoning for me-town?

reasoning for spyrex leaning town?

reasoning for rolf misspelling?

[RayFrost]

Dag nabbit tajo not the meta again. Le sigh.

However I dig on Ray.

My Mufasa vote is serious. Thoughts?

reasoning for voting mufasa seriously?

reasoning for digging on me?

reasoning for lack of ~ with le sigh?

[RayFrost]

Vote: mikeburnfire.
FOS: RayFrost.

(Scuttles back to the shadows of V/LA.)

Reasoning for finding mbf scummy?

reasoning for finding me scummy?

reasoning for hiding behind v/la when you are obv here?

[RayFrost]

What ever happened to spamming?

I'm covering for him.

duh

[RayFrost]

See, he spams, but he makes more sense.

Saying Crypto makes more sense than me is like saying a padawan can kill a hoard of rushing zerg.

[RayFrost]

Been there, done that, I was so awesome that the world brought me back to life.

I ask reasoning cuz it is easier for me than saying "Would you mind explaining in depth why you think this, so that I can better understand your position and thought process?"

Besides, it'll give something to talk about, depending on the answer.

holidays are for the weak.

now go DIAFIOP.

[RayFrost]

Myko: why not edit it into the first post of each page?

I'm way too lazy to check the OP every time I need a VC.

[RayFrost]

stop annoying a hasty and half awake mod, fool!

oooo, do I smell a modkill coming?

[RayFrost]

After a quick read, Ray is top scummy. Mostly same reasons Crypto said (questions trying to look pro-town, vote on SW, bad vibe in general).

I don't think Mufasa is scum right now, though, I'm not getting a town feeling from him.

Neutral on Mike.

soooo...

where's the vote, eh?

same to you, prozac.

[RayFrost]

I agree with post 108.

Still don't like the prospect of L-1 so early, though (needs moar contributions).

[RayFrost]

I like how you give rofl all credit instead of me or Snow_Bunny. Sounds familiar ...

Choo-choo?

I'm saying I like the vote

, which means I like the case, which means you get points.*







* these can't be turned in for anything, though.

[RayFrost]

Your right. I fucked up, again.

while you're here...

opinion on snow_bunny case?

[RayFrost]

EBWOP:

I like how you give rofl all credit instead of me or Snow_Bunny. Sounds familiar ...

Choo-choo?

I'm saying I like the vote

, which means I like the case, which means you (crypto/agoti) get points.*







* these can't be turned in for anything, though.

[RayFrost]

Ray, we've got this game in lockdown mode.

huh?

do tell.

[RayFrost]

lol.

You mean nobody else is posting and we are eh active ones, right?

[RayFrost]

Mufasa votes Spyrex for being insignificant.
Mufasa is now ridiculously put at L-2. I think it strange how Ray could suggest Mufasa being a jester at one point and then put him at L-2 for Mufasa saying “an obv. Liar. Lynch him”

I was obviously joking. Why so serious?

@Ray Frost. L-2 is always dangerous when you don’t know who the mafia are and if they are already on board with the lynch of the day.

I consider L-1 dangerous, since it is easy to slip onto the wagon with near empty reasoning. I consider l-2 to not be dangerous, since it is not so simple. The day doesn't end when that first reasonless vote is cast.

After being called out by Mike, Ray posts to say how NOT dangerous L-2 is and then 4posts later Ray unvotes and votes me. And Ray its gone town, scum, im town now so you can put away that lousy vote. Why single me out above anyone else? Like Rofl pointed out you have attempted to change the topic of conversation to bak to the playful RVS stage. The signal for this is that I actually come out to post.

I'll unvote at the end of this post, no worries. Besides, I could easily say "See!? I voted her and she made a big, nice and meaty post! I'm so good!" I'm not, am I?

Also. You could have contributed to the questioning mike was doing of Mufasa. Which was in fact, outside of the RVS. We have passed the stage quite quickly and this makes me happy. I see Mikes intervention as a good thing. L-2 is dangerous. You dont know who the scum are on any given wagon, do you Ray? I dont like people who put others at L-2 unless we're a bit further than 2/3 pages and there is something with at least an ounze of substance to lynch upon.

I didn't really see much value in questioning mufasa at that point by merely repeating another player - it adds about as much value as not posting, but it's less helpful.

My vote is on SW cuz she sometimes falls into lurking states.

UHM! No. Refraining from going into what happened in the Seaside, I do get busy from time to time with things at home, school, family, friends,

men *faepalm*

and these priorities have and will continue to have precidence over mafiascum but I ALWAYS catch up. Something which you deprived me of in the Seaside. Regardless! And FYI it being three days since you posted that [quote"RayFrost"]This vote will prevent SW from falling inative”

equates bullshit. Lastly. CONTRADITION. You claim that you are voting me “randomly” because I was town the last game we played together. When quizzed over your vote because it was then and still is stupid you say its because I lurk. When I hadn’t had time to check in the game in…. seven hours.

When have there ever been any truly random votes? Seriously. Anyway, seaside had you getting extremely busy, I don't know (and don't want to know) your RL issues, so yeah. It just seems like lurking.

@RayFrost. Post 59. Opinion on your thing? What thing? And yes, I do want an answer. Are you seriously pursuing a lynch on me or not? I cant tell with all this banter stinking up the place. /jks.

IIRC what post you are talking about, it was my reasoning for mbf-town read. I'm pretty sure that was the most noteworthy thing I'd done.

@Crypto. You vote Mike. FOS Ray. Care to elaborate?
Ray questions Crypto on his actions. I like this. However...

EDIT: padawans can kill a hoard of rushing zerg.
-Just for funsies.

Padawans have light sabers, but they can barely use the force properly. Zerg lurkers hide in the ground and the padawan doesn't notice until... woops, he's facing a hoard erupting from the ground beneath him. Yeah, I'd say he's dead there. Also, skywalker doesn't count as a padawan, since he was the whole "chosen one" stuff.

Yay. Snow Bunny is here! I see her point about Ray being scummy but his last few posts imho have been pro town. I like how instead of going “oh I think such and such is town, I figure she’s being honest by saying she cant tell wtf mufasa is at or hasn’t got a reading on mike.” could always be wrong there’s my two cents.

I don't even get what you are trying to say here. Please clarify.

@AGOI. Calling me SW is fine. Im not sure of what i find Ray Forst atm.

Lemme guess, I'm about as obv town as I was in seaside (not very ).

@Snow Bunny. What makes you think there is a third party? There've been no killings thus far. Secondly, I’d prefer you to have put your reasons in your own words. I don’t find your lack of a vote suspicious as you say you don’t have a lot of reads on people and ray is at L-3. In fact i respect the fact you didnt vote Ray.

Ummm... weren't you questioning yourself on jester speculation and lynchers and stuff earlier in this post?

[/quote]

[RayFrost]

gah, fail.

all bold = me, all non-bold = SW

unvote

[RayFrost]

Hey Mike, if you could call a scum group/pairing/etc, what would it be right now?

[RayFrost]

oh, and me re: l-2/l-1 thing is actually made in my fail quote post.

[RayFrost]

tl;dr

: Ray is scummy because 1. his scatter-shot excuses for his play looks like preemptive posturing, 2. his "input" is contrived and insubstantial but makes him look active and 3. he attached himself on the bunny wagon with vague support and authority-following while seeming to position himself in for the hammer. Thus,

vote: RayFrost

.

Ummm... defending myself from somebody's suspicions is pre-emptive?

Also, me saying both 1 & 2 is not really "covering my bases" considering I didn't include such things as "I do find mufasa legitimately scummy", "I had reasons for voting that weren't just to bandwagon" or similar.

Yeah, all my posts are contrived. I relay my thoughts inside the little post box, thus constructing them into a form.

My lack of voting SB means that I don't find the case strong enough to vote for, despite the fact I like it.

Wanting more SB pressure and similar != willingness to hammer.

[RayFrost]

It's important to note the fact that a player came in and directly criticized 1. the speed at which Mufasa's wagon appeared and 2. the current stage of the wagon (L-2). You then went out of your way to guard against both of these criticized aspects - even though the excuses themselves are pretty incompatible. (Interesting to note you haven't defended your excuses.) It is no great leap for you to be so wrapped up in what a more experienced player has said and tried to defend against

all

of those points as to clear your name. It is the fact that you defended against all of the points brought against the wagon as a whole meant you were covering your bases against all of the criticisms made available. Just because you didn't throw out excuses against non-voiced criticisms of the wagon does not discount the fact that you threw out poorly conceived excuses against all of the voiced criticisms of the wagon. Hence, you were covering your bases against the already established lines of "attack" that you knew you might face.

---

If I feel that somebody finds something I've done scummy, am I not allowed to defend myself at all, then? I thought his points were directed at me, so I responded to them as such. This feels like you are saying that I should ave ignored it and then defended myself when I got attacked for ignoring it or some such. Do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

---

Yeah, all my posts are contrived. I relay my thoughts inside the little post box, thus constructing them into a form.

This nicely ignores point two in its entirety. By the way:

con⋅trived | [kuhn-trahyvd]
–adjective

obviously planned

or

forced

;

artificial

; strained: a contrived story.

Attempting to play wordsmith with a single word instead of addressing the real issues brought forward is scummy.

---

I do think about what I say, but I don't really think much further than my initial reaction for about 90% of the time. Not quite sure how this is contrived, but eh, I guess an honest reaction from me feels that way?

---

My lack of voting SB means that I don't find the case strong enough to vote for, despite the fact I like it.

Wanting more SB pressure and similar != willingness to hammer.

Your propensity to hammer has already been hinted at. You still fail to explain why you decided to quote-post/agree with post 108 instead of 105 or 106, why you thought rofl was voting for bunny and what exactly you did/do like about the bunny votes.

But your response does beg the question: If you actually liked the case against bunny but not enough to vote for her, what would push you to the vote? What would have made you like it more? Furthermore, how can you say that with any sort of sincerity after your White vote - which was based off of shifting, crappy reasons that ignored the contemporary going-ons? Do you find your White vote more compelling than the bunny votes?

---

Your linked post has nothing to do with desire to hammer at all. I said 108 cuz it was 1. post # I remembered, 2. seemed to stem from the other posts I'd read regarding SB, 3. it was a vote

Votes from me stem from desire for pressure often enough.

My White vote is still there cuz 1. I don't unvote for unvoting's sake and 2. despite wanting to vote SB, I don't wish to hammer / place at l-1 prematurely (IIRC, mufasa was being replaced at the time?). Early hammers are bad. Now I believe she isn't at l-2 or l-1~

unvote, vote: snow_bunny

my stuff seperated via horizontal rules and are bolded.

[RayFrost]

Did you mean to vote SB? Because you probably shouldn't do it in a quote, and the tags were messed up anyway.

Is your (would-be) vote on her meant to be pressure?

If it is, it is.

If it isn't, it isn't.

Either way, I am doing so.

vote: snow bunny

[RayFrost]

So.... your vote on Snow Bunny, which was meant to be pressure, may or may not be pressure, and you want to vote her and are okay with being on her lynch for no reason, just as long as you aren't the hammer on the lynch.

Did I phrase your scatter-shot logic aptly?

I don't even follow what you said >.<

[RayFrost]

using the same reasoning that other's do without really adding much in regards to most players, the really odd stance that mufasa is 3rd party, not scum or town (may be ignorance there though), neutral on you without reasoning behind it, not willing to have a

wagon

early on (not a lynch, just a wagon... wagons are good), later states once again that I'm scummy without really any follow up at all (or a vote).

Feels like she intends to be pushing for lynches using other people's coattails to hide behind (easy to do with both you, mike, and gc so heavily on me) and avoid notice.

[RayFrost]

huh? oh.

VT.

[RayFrost]

Did you just claim to be the state of Vermont?

VT = vanilla townie.

[RayFrost]

However, if I ever mod a game, I will make sure to have a role named Vermont at some point with a claim restriction of VT.

[RayFrost]

Nobody else crypto.

[RayFrost]

Lastly, and i really hope i dont end up with egg on my face with this, if RayFrost is ScumRayFrost, VT is a really shitty fakeclaim.

Would you prefer that I lied about my role?

[RayFrost]

Lastly, and i really hope i dont end up with egg on my face with this, if RayFrost is ScumRayFrost, VT is a really shitty fakeclaim.

Would you prefer that I lied about my role?

Yeah, what?

You saying that to me or SW?

[RayFrost]

@RayFrost: Dont take the high and mighty ground on someone giving you the (temporary) benefit of the doubt. You just lost town points again for that reversal accusatory post.

What accusatory post?

[RayFrost]

RF oozes town, for the simple fact there isn't any (or he's around the horn to awesome) manipulation in those posts. They reek of VT.

Ummm, I just want to ask what you mean by there is no manipulation in my posts...

How can you tell?

[RayFrost]

I want tajo to post more. He's starting to feel like lurker-scum

[RayFrost]

Sweet.

Now, I'm gonna be THAT GUY again and say I'm not seein the AGOTI business either.

So, before we start holding hands, thoughts on:

1.) Poro coming in and stating something about the modcount without saying anything with the last few pages?
2.) Pom's last post.
3.) MBF

Prozac seems like not-getting-stuck-in-this-scum. NGSITS. He avoids the sticky situations

I gotta check Pom's last post for that.

I still think MBF is town, but I think he's tunnel vision town. Which is bad for town, but still town.

[RayFrost]

....

Ray, you down for getting lynched under the caveat that if you flip town that means a vig shoots one of GC and MBF and if they are scum the other dies?

Because holy hell in a handbasket.

Sure.

[RayFrost]

Ray, you down for getting lynched under the caveat that if you flip town that means a vig shoots one of GC and MBF and if they are scum the other dies?

Sure.

What. The only player you've gone after all game is Snow Bunny, you've said that Iseem town to you, you haven't ever

mentioned

Green Cryaons, but yet, you're willing to die as long either me or GC dies next?

I'm calling bullshit. If you were really a townie then you wouldn't want to sacrifice yourself so that people you think are town get lynched too.

vote: Rayfrost

Let's get this wagon back up again.

I seemed to have not been clear:

I'm fine with being lynched.

I don't really agree with the vig shooting one of you stuff.

[RayFrost]

Oh, and I'd prefer the vig do their own thing, assuming they exist.

[RayFrost]

Quick list of reads, since I'm gonna die:

scum:

snow bunny - see previous posts

tajo - didn't post much and comes in when peole call 'im out ees suspicious

snow white - where is she?

neutral:

GC - GC has cranked up the TV and it's kinda distracting meh from getting a read

crypto - crypto is somebody that I don't get good reads on, so yeah.

AGOTI - AGOTI is hard to read - posting style is contrived, but is obv an alt. says so and so is town without really giving much in the way of why, etc, etc

town:

MBF - see previous reasoning

Syrex - seems logical and stuff

rofl - meta says he's town

[RayFrost]

I seemed to have not been clear:

I'm fine with being lynched.

I don't really agree with the vig shooting one of you stuff.

So, you only read the first six words of that 42-word sentence. Just couldn't finish reading the whole thing, huh?

Quick list of reads, since I'm gonna die:

You're only at two votes. By the way, I like how you're 'final' act of scumhunting is a one-sentence post for half the players, and calling out lurkers. And by "I like" I actually mean "I'm annoyed by"

Yeah, it was oh so tl;dr.

Eh, I agreed with lynching me. Feel free to do so.

How I see it:

1. I'm a distraction

2. if I remain in the game, I'll just lead to the town having brawl outs over me every day, better to get rid of me early to everybody can deal with finding scum

[RayFrost]

<--- lives in Japan

<--- doesn't celebrate any holidays

<--- is still awesome

[RayFrost]

What's Glee?

I don't get the MBF hate, can somebody make a tl;dr summary for me of it all?

[RayFrost]

lulwut?

I never joked about my role.

[RayFrost]

Why is my name in it then?

[RayFrost]

srsly

[RayFrost]

I know, right? But it helps re-enforce the point that

RayFrost has not been helpful

.

Isn't that his schtick?

No comment.

[RayFrost]

<--- digs the case on pome

vote: pomegranate

[RayFrost]

reads:

scum = SB, mbf, tajo, prozac

neutral = crypto, EK

town = rofl, spyrex, GC, AGOTI

[RayFrost]

I did remember it

[RayFrost]

tajo seems town to me now~

[RayFrost]

Your reaction seems genuine.

So you art town.

[RayFrost]

rofl is town from early play & meta.

you don't need to believe me

[RayFrost]

crypto is town

SB is 100% obv scum

AGOTI is town

spyrex is 70% scum

prozac is scum

rofl is town

mbf is 40% scum

vote: mikeburnfire

[RayFrost]

... awesome.

... what.

[RayFrost]

>.<" messed up, was thinking of somebody else when I wrote that.

should be:

spyrex is town

EK is 70% scum

sorry~

[RayFrost]

cuz I can't get a good read on 'er.

Also, what do you want me to talk about?

[RayFrost]

crypto is mostly meta from you-know-where.

SB is just obv scum. seriously. I'm p. sure meta from the other you-know-where could come in, but I'm too lazy to check.

AGOTI is town cuz she's willing to listen and give me a chance

spyrex is town cuz his play yesterday doesn't seem like scum jumping on the easy mislynch (though now he is, so... I dunno )

prozac has been coasting, imo.

you are town for being helpful and careful

MBF is scummy cuz of mid to late D1. D2 hasn't changed a thing, though this is really something I'm hedging cuz I don't want to be fogged by OMGUS and I had a town read of him previously (early D1)

[RayFrost]

tl;dr:

vote MBF for teh win

[RayFrost]

RF, you can't meta me. I don't have any scum games.

I was thinking town-meta over scum-meta.

and remember, I'm a "pro alt hunter"

[RayFrost]

rofl, last I remember, the only time I flipped town in a game with you before this was with you-mafia-doctor.

IIRC, you were trying to kill me via lynch.

and failed thanks to Vi the awesome.

[RayFrost]

i'm counting your total self-destruction as serial killer among town flips for the purposes of you were not mafia, plus every game i've ever been in with you has been an endurance match to see how long i can stand your blathering. you're going on a list of players i won't willingly join a game with ever again.

that's kinda hurtful.

I didn't have time to catch up as SK in that game. So I ended up having to stay like I was.

Saying you won't join a game cuz I suck is hurtful, but eh... your choice to make.

[RayFrost]

regardless of what he flips he's proven to me that he is among the elite group of players who are a detriment to their own win condition no matter what role they get

Not really.

It's just a matter of me not understanding the deep complexities and intricacies that you mighty ones can delve into with nary a thought about it.


preview edit:

EK:

need a stronger read on MBF, obv.

[RayFrost]

I was thinking the "have to unvote" rule would mean your vote (and mine) wouldn't count, rofl.

[RayFrost]

I was thinking the "have to unvote" rule would mean your vote (and mine) wouldn't count, rofl.

what did you expect to learn from such shenanigans?

People would have a number of different reactions.

I was hoping to learn how each person felt about it via their reaction to it.

[RayFrost]

*wonders if he should be FOSing Spyrex for Ray's post in the Queue*

obv you sould be calling him town and lauding him for it since it means that I've yet to be in a game with him and I as scum buddies

It's a comment I made separate from any game and just from the fact he's awesome. I'm too lazy to quote the games of his I get this feeling from.

[RayFrost]

Was that a scum slip?

Asking to be scum with spyrex in the queue?

No.

My reacting to you thinking it was?

No.

[RayFrost]

I was thinking the "have to unvote" rule would mean your vote (and mine) wouldn't count, rofl.

YOU LIE

ebwop, i remembered that rule about the obligatory unvote, so pom isnt lynched.

Still, I dont think rolf and frost knew this, so my accusation still applies.

I did remember it

"I did remember it" re the "obligatory unvote"

Thus, I thought it wouldn't count.

Does this count as irony?

[RayFrost]

I hate you too.

There there, no need to worry... I'm

not

the one that killed your T.V. lover. [/bad joke]

[RayFrost]

I assumed "I remembered it" meant "I remembered to unvote, so he IS lynched".

It was "I remembered that an unvote was needed, so pome isn't lynched cuz I haven't done so"

[RayFrost]

responding to the prod, I've been busy with finals / prep for finals, so my activity has dropped in places. Currently about 94% fried.