Mini 865 -- Evil Eyes (Over)

[HowardRoark]

Vote Count (D3)

MacavityLock (1) -- Symbol
~No Lynch~ (3) -- iamausername, MacavityLock, tubby216

Not Voting (2) -- Torqez, EriktheRed

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 15 DEC 2009 at 7:10pm UTC. (Countdown)

[EriktheRed]

Vote: Tubby

I'd rather lynch scum than be in Lylo.

[Symbol]

Erik just became obvious town. Kick ass and chew bubblegum, Erik.

[Torqez]

Sigh... I don't think I get the Mylo Lylo situations fully. The way I see it, is that if we make a mistake, we're gonners.

To be honest, I think tubby is really dodgy. At first I though he was so stupidly scummy, that he couldn't be scum. Now I'm not sure...got me confused. For this reason,

if

I was to vote for someone, i'd be voting tubby. However, I see that Symbol is already inclined to vote him too, and so I don't want to put himat L-2 incase another quick lynch. The worst thing we could do right now is what we did last time ...that was so 'wtf'. We need time imo.

Now, having said that, from my understaning if we lynch wrongly, and then theres the night kill, if we assume 2 mob, wouldnt that leave 2 mob and 2 town? Then how can we lynch? For that reason I'd vote a no lynch atm, except i don't wanna hammer this atm. Firstly because I don't want to happen what happened last time and secondly i'm not good at math and/or my thinking may be wrong.

(Also what is the meaning of having 2 kills last night? Does this mean we have an sk?)

For these reasons I'm reserving my vote for now.

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Btw sry guys, posting this on my phone atm. Usually am V/LA on the weekends so might not post much atm..

[Torqez]

A non-majority vote count results in a "no lynch" occurring.

Actually, tubby just hammered No Lynch. Talk to you tomorrow.

Also Macavity...

...pretty sure this rule applies to when we dont reach the Lynch number come deadline time - a no lynch occurs.

Hence every lynch needed, will need a hammer.

[tubby216]

ok look no lynch is the way the way to go.

tomorrow we massclaim,

[iamausername]

now that Suave is proven guilty

Wut?

The fact is that your push for a no-lynch is anti-information. Like it or not.

No, it's quite the opposite.

[tubby216]

but i will

unvote

because we could always hypercop.

thats where everycliams who they would have investigated if they were a cop and the possible results.

[MacavityLock]

Also Macavity...

...pretty sure this rule applies to when we dont reach the Lynch number come deadline time - a no lynch occurs.

Hence every lynch needed, will need a hammer.

Yeah, that was a rule misinterpretation by me.

Anyway, no reservations about No Lynch. tubby, what would hypocop buy us at this stage?

Last post before I get on a plane. Talk to you (real life) tomorrow.

[tubby216]

Also Macavity...

...pretty sure this rule applies to when we dont reach the Lynch number come deadline time - a no lynch occurs.

Hence every lynch needed, will need a hammer.

Yeah, that was a rule misinterpretation by me.

Anyway, no reservations about No Lynch. tubby, what would hypocop buy us at this stage?

Last post before I get on a plane. Talk to you (real life) tomorrow.

no at this point with two mafia left alive and a suspect list greater than the list of mistakes the cleveland browns have made all year. No-lynch is definately the way to go.


and hyper cop may buy us some usefull information going into tomorrow.

[Symbol]

Come

on

, guys. Scum-driven convo. Scum-driven race to NL.

Let me put it differently. Tubby is scum. Obvious scum. Starkly obvious scum. Painfully obvious scum. Hoopla posted little content because she knew she could get away with it—we Scummers are too analytical to just accept a player who jokes/screws around as scum. Tubby's doing the exact same thing, but to an extreme, and I maintain that he's playing with less thought than he usually does (as town). Do a meta if you don't believe me.

[tubby216]

Come

on

, guys. Scum-driven convo. Scum-driven race to NL.

Let me put it differently. Tubby is scum. Obvious scum. Starkly obvious scum. Painfully obvious scum. Hoopla posted little content because she knew she could get away with it—we Scummers are too analytical to just accept a player who jokes/screws around as scum. Tubby's doing the exact same thing, but to an extreme, and I maintain that he's playing with less thought than he usually does (as town). Do a meta if you don't believe me.

and you are painfully retarded.

take a step back and look at what you are proposing.

[Symbol]

(Steps back. Looks at what he's proposing.)

You're right, lynching scum is truly a retarded idea.

[tubby216]

(Steps back. Looks at what he's proposing.)

You're right, lynching scum is truly a retarded idea.

no lynching me is a total retarded idea.


but go ahead there o supreme leader of mafia hunters:roll:

lynch me to hell and gone as i sit back and laugh at your stupidity

[Symbol]

And this is why Tubby is scummy. It's not just a horrible play style that seems to be even worse here than in most of his other games. He goes out of his way to be suspicious and/or do things that expressly damage the town. It's like a comedy act, minus the funny part.

[Symbol]

now that Suave is proven guilty

Wut?

You know what I mean.

[MacavityLock]

I think we missed this:

(Also what is the meaning of having 2 kills last night? Does this mean we have an sk?)

I'm reading this as Reck was Suave's vig kill and Suave was the maf kill. Suave mentioned his suspicions of Reck yesterday and likely had no compunction about killing.

tubby, if you're seriously proposing hypocop, please explain why it's good for town and bad for maf at this point in the game.

[tubby216]

mod i need replaced puter issues

[Symbol]

Simple answer: Tubby is scum.

[HowardRoark]

Vote Count (D3)

tubby216

(1) -- EriktheRed
MacavityLock (1) -- Symbol
~No Lynch~ (2) -- iamausername, MacavityLock

Not Voting (2) -- Torqez,

tubby216

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 15 DEC 2009 at 7:10pm UTC. (Countdown)

Seeking a replacement for tubby216.

[Torqez]

Screw it. Obvious scum is obvious.

Vote: tubby/tubby's replacement

[MacavityLock]

OK, I'm going LA until Wednesday. If nothing interesting has happened by then, I'll be voting tubby. I have a hard time seeing how this game won't include a tubby lynch, eventually.

[Symbol]

Oh, I got off my bum and took five minutes to think about this game and realized this is really all too simple, too good to be true.

tubby216

EriktheRed

Symbol

Torqez

iamausername
MacavityLock

Tubby is/was pretty much 100% scum (in addition to being mega-scummy in the first place, tubby never so much as mentioned Hoopla, and vice versa, lazy teammates that they were), so he's got red boldface to represent definite scum. Crossing myself off for practicality's sake, and because, IIRC, I had a scum read (a shaky one, admittedly) on Hoopla from the start. Same goes for Torqez (crossed off). I'd cross out Erik, too, but he didn't really do much with his Hoopla read other than get a player not named Hoopla (JVW) lynched—intriguingly suspicious, but not conclusive in any way, shape, or form.

tubby216

EriktheRed
iamausername
MacavityLock

What I mentioned about about Erik is still notable. In other news, MacavityLock defended Hoopla hardcore from RECK's day 1 accusations of role fishing, but I could see that as Lock-town simply coming to the wrong conclusion (who doesn't?). But in his iso. 21, Lock also planted a "mild town read" on her for no real reason, while gently reminding her to stop being scummy with his "Her iso 16 worries me though" remark. Later on, Lock does call out Hoopla's role fishing, but fails to follow up on it, so that's null, and if anything worthy of suspicion. But we'll play it safe here. Instead, I'd rather swing my attention to iamausername, who I've had a mega-town read on for a long time now (I think I FOSed him when I replaced in, for what it's worth). His posts simply ring town. I'm gonna stick by that read. Let's scratch him off the list.

tubby216

EriktheRed
MacavityLock

Ta-da. One to go if there are only three scum. Back to Lock's posts in isolation. I'm generally not fond of iso. 44, but whatever. Iso. 45 is a lousy case because Erik had more than one scum read (am I right?) and looked pretty pro-town in his beating of JVW despite JVW's flip. And iso. 46 ... I don't get what doesn't compute about that. Erik certainly stretched his self-advertisement, but really, that's a poor case by Lock. Lock really looks like he's reaching and that matches a suspicion of him I've danced around for a good while now: scum trying to legitimately scum-hunt, be pro-town, lead the village all the to hell

and back

, etc. Also, Lock barely conversed with Erik throughout day 1, except for iso. 35 (still Lock's iso.), in which he used the a version of the Too Scummy Fallacy to shield tubby from Erik's attacks.

Now, day 1. MacavityLock tunnel-visioned on Suave

all damn day

. He went after the easy newbie lynch and leaned on it a helluva lot despite carrying the air of an invested scum hunter. If you look closely, he's really just engaged in some sophisticated active lurking. His suspects as he listed them were Suave, Geek (now Erik, popular wagon), Zazie (policy lynch, massive cop-out), and JVW (we all know how he turned out). That list was pared down at the end of day 1 to Suave, JVW, and Erik ... Baffling that JVW and Erik were both among his top three suspects because (a) he barely spoke out against Erik, (b) Erik was pounding JVW

hard

, and (c) he was largely silent about JVW, so that

really

looks like he was setting up for a wagon on JVW. (He does the same thing with Erik and Nuwen/Looker at the start of day 2.)

I can come up with more later if you all hunger for more walls-o'-text. I've only done a cursory review of Erik's posts because I've sold myself on Lock-scum—and I'm not even including the ultra-scum vibes his language has rained down (in my eyes at least) from square one—and because I really think the general pattern of Erik's play and the way he's worked in general looks genuine, even if he has slipped up here and there (and still to a much lesser degree than Lock has). If he's scum, then screw me, but we're auto-lynching Tubby today so it doesn't matter yet.

TLDR:

tubby216

EriktheRed
Symbol
Torqez
iamausername

MacavityLock

Again, the hell with no lynch. We're killing scum and we're killing them right fricking now. Like, really. My confidence in these reads blow the rest of my thoughts this game out of the water.

So please,

Moar voats on tubby216. Please and thank you.

The only argument that can explain tubby's style here is that he is deliberately trolling to sabotage the town's chances, and that's way the hell beyond blacklist. I don't buy it. Let's go. Everyone voting not to lynch is a pansy. String up scum.

[Symbol]

Actually, no.

Unvote. Vote: MacavityLock.

I wanna hang that guy first.

[iamausername]

I can accept not No Lynching, it's dubious whether or not there's ever any practical advantage gained, even if it theoretically increases the chances of a scum lynch in this situation. But we're not lynching without a massclaim today.