Mafia 103 - Ktown Mafia (Game Over)

[Furry]

you think that Haylen is definitely town? CrueKnight? why?

CK I would put a decent wager on being town (I would target him as a hider for example). The case on him mostly seems to be on weak reasoning, when I went through I had a hard time figuring anything out on it. Out of the four people voting him I have a

slight

town read on one (SB), the rest I wouldnt shed a tear if they got vigged. It just has quite a few of the markings of a wagon on town that is being pushed enough to be an alternative if a big wagon falls apart.

Haylen I dont see my vote going to outside of a deadline lynch, mostly due to a case *mostly* based on lurking. Im not a big lynch lurkers fan untill there is evidence (role or connection) that they are scum. When there are people who are legitimately scummy, they are a really poor lynch choice. If they are town, it has good chances of resulting in another mislynch.

So yeah, not voting CK, dont plan on voting Haylen.

Also I see haylen claimed vig, I still would prefer not to lynch her (deja vu gets greater), if she is SK/scum she will need to use her kill like it now.

[Furry]

Deja vu game

Day one town got ran up. I thought he was insanely obviously town, made a hell of a lot of noise about it, he claimed RB and got lynched. Day two another player got ran up who I was pretty sure was town, eventually broke down to get a deadline lynch and they were town again. Both of those days feels so much like whats going on here I cant shake it, I have my reads, no one bothers to listen to me, town gets screwed.

I will openly admit that my town-dar is better then scum-dar in most games. This one is telling me there is no way that CK is scum, and Haylen is probably town as well.

[Furry]

Crueknight has only spammed

and defended himself. And was kinda dumb about it, too.

His voting pattern consists of his random vote, and then his self vote.

He fits my mold of scum/badtown.

-Spamming (which almost everyone was doing)

-Defending himself "dumbly" (what exactly is 'dumbly' and why is it a tell?)

-Random/selfvote (why is this a tell?)

SJ is already saying that he could easily be newb town though, still keeping the groundwork for a jump if its needed.

This is misrepresenting SolemnJ. You are starting to look scummier. Also, the SolemnJ case isn't good.

???

So which of my colorful lines is wrong then?

Back to SJ case in a little

[foilist13]

I don't have much to add at this point, as there has been little development. I do not buy Haylen's claim, especially in light of the meta the other players have provided.

Furry - Do you have anything to refute the arguments against CrueKnight and Haylen, or is this a gut feeling?

Haylen - Can you actually post a defense please? You will not be ale to avoid the lynch simply based on this claim.

[Furry]

Furry - Do you have anything to refute the arguments against CrueKnight and Haylen, or is this a gut feeling?

Haylen just seems to be "is lazy" case for the most part, Im not going to disagree with it, but I dont like the lynch. CK if someone could really clearly outline I bet I can refute

[Furry]

O.o

I see an inconsistency.

I think voting for someone means you want them lynched. Then again im not really into the 'hip and trendy' lifestyles that are going on now adays. Does 'dont necessarily want' mean 'would like to have' in today groovy slang?

I'm just voting for pressure. I do not have any intentions to lynch you.

Wow. LOL.

HoS: CrueKnight

This is funny.

Need to get caught up, but this is a fail of a HoS. Pressure votes work wonders. People play differently under pressure

So...voting not only to lynch is good or bad? You're being unclear, scum.

Anyways, on to this whole debacle. I will ask this again since people havent answered this, and without an answer any case on me based on it gets a hole punched down the middle.

When is it acceptable to try and pressure vote someone that you have a town read on?
When is it acceptable to ever have a vote on a player you have a town read on?

Pressure voting a player is always fine, but you should always be willing to have that player lynched. A vote to lynch is a little more serious about that then pressure, but you should never say "damn I didnt want them lynched, I though they were town" if somehow a 10x multipost occurs lynching a player.

I mean frick, how hard is it for people to grasp this concept. Dont vote town, vote scum, pressure slight scum. Tah-dah!

You dont pressure vote people you dont want lynched. You never vote people you dont want lynched. Pressure votes are more for medium suspects who you wouldnt be against a lynch of, but you like other lynches more.

Furry, this also looks wrong.

You don't pressure vote people you don't want lynched?
Then why pressure vote at all?

What is the point of pressure votes?

-Correct (if im reading that double negative right)
-To see how slight scum reads react
-To see how players react to pressure on them

I guess it was more convenient to attack Haylen.

Dont think its necessary to elaborate on this when it was made well over a week to deadline

The reason that I thought CK only deserved an FoS at the time was because it was possible CrueKnight had just made a towniemistake.

You can just say fencesitting instead of this excuse. What makes it a town-slip as opposed to scumtell?

Anyways, poker is starting. Will try and finish this tonight in hopes that we get that extension by tomorrow.

[cruelty]

Don't buy the claim. I also note the complete lack of content despite it being asked for and promised numerous times. Coupled with the woe is me whining, I like this lynch.

Mal, elaborate please.

Furry often the point of a pressure vote is to get a read - I personally never had a town read on Haylen, and her reaction hasn't impressed me at all.

[The Inquisition]

I believe we have what we need here. Someone else can hammer. And no, hammering doesn't necessarily make you more or less scummy, so hammer with impunity!

Haylen, you had your opportunity to confess. God shall be your judge.

Vote: Haylen

[Kdub]

Vote Count

CrueKnight (4)

- Torqez, Scott Brosius, SolemnJ, Wickedestjr

Furry (0)

-

cruelty (1)

- Haylen

Sir Chris (0)

-

Scott Brosius (0)

-

Rhinox (0)

-

Wickedestjr (0)

-

malpascp (0)

-

Faraday (0)

-

SolemnJ (1)

- Furry

The Inquisition(0)

-

Torqez (0)

-

foilist13 (0)

-

Katniss (0)

-

Haylen (7)

- cruelty, Faraday, Rhinox, foilist13, Sir Chris, malpascp, The Inquisition

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (2)

- Katniss, CrueKnight

15 players alive, 8 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is November 25, ~ 10:30 am MST

I will be traveling for most of tomorrow so I won't get a chance to update the vote count or lock the thread in the event of a lynch until late afternoon or evening. Also, I have added 2 hours to the deadline because I realized it will be 7:30 am in the time zone I will be in, and I probably won't be awake.

[Furry]

Furry often the point of a pressure vote is to get a read - I personally never had a town read on Haylen, and her reaction hasn't impressed me at all.

I know thats whats going on at this point, SJ seems to be trying to turn something along those lines into a scumtell though which is why im getting flustered.

@wicked - If Haylen flips town, you might have to take her place in the fuzzy handcuffs... or maybe cruel... Ill have time to ponder im sure

This is also me not hammering... more to make a point then anything else though. If it really comes down to it or no lynch I would vote

[Haylen]

*clap clap clap*

Congratulations! You've just lynched the only protown killing role you have on Day One! Nice job.

[SolemnJ]

The early OMGUS post interests me, seeming as if Haylen is trying still to convince us not to lynch her rather than post her anger at her being lynched.

vote Haylen

[SolemnJ]

oh.

unvote; vote haylen

[Haylen]

Oh, there's the lynch. Anyway, i hope you lynch the three person i was going to vig. I know J-Fox well enough to know even by the little he posted that he was town.

I told you, i screwed up. Sorry town. I've done this a lot recently. Btw, the people who accused me of lying about my reasons for not posting are now on my grudge kill list. Yay.

[Haylen]

Also, it is extremely bad play to lynch the claimed powerrole on Day One.

[Faraday]

Also, it is extremely bad play to lynch the claimed powerrole on Day One.

I assume you've never lynched scum on Day 1 then, if you follow this advice?

[Faraday]

I told you, i screwed up. Sorry town. I've done this a lot recently. Btw, the people who accused me of lying about my reasons for not posting are now on my grudge kill list. Yay.

lol lists.

[Haylen]

Scum arent powerroles. Scum are scum. End of.

And you and Cruelty are at the top of my list. With TI. You were worse than those guys from Cr3t1n's.

[Faraday]

Scum arent powerroles. Scum are scum. End of.

My point

---------

Your head.


^that signifies it went over your head. I'm clever like that.

And you and Cruelty are at the top of my list. With TI. You were worse than those guys from Cr3t1n's.

COOL STORY, BRO. btw thnx 4 the lovely contribution to the game.

[Faraday]

^^sarcasm in referring to your contribution.

[Faraday]

Obviously you never lynch a claimed power-role, just b/c they claim a power role means you'll never lynch scum day 1 as they'll claim a power role.


WAS MY POINT. Also grudge kills are retarded and you should feel bad for even thinking about them.

Anyway apparently you've been hammered. Let's see what ya flip.

[Haylen]

I guarantee you i'll flip vig. And yeah, i dont give a crap what anyone thinks of my playstyle. I already know I suck. I dont need to be told that. DIAF.

[Faraday]

I didn't say you sucked, I said grudge kills are retarded.

Lrn2read.


Also I'm offended by you telling me to die in a fire, for all you know I could have been burned in a fire as a child and suffer nightmares over it. Classy.

[Haylen]

Im offended by you and everyone else in the game telling me im lying about the reasons why i havent been posting.

I don't NEED to learn to read. You need to learn to play with the correct attitude.

[Faraday]

I didn't accuse you of lying about your reasons at all, as far as I know (quotes plz, I'll apologise if I have). But you're quite clearly around now, and have been able to post one liners for the past day or 2.


What's the correct attitude? Telling people to fuck off when they mis-spell your name and telling players to die in a fire. Oh golly, I'll take that on board.