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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:13 am

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CrueKnight wrote:
The Inquisition wrote:Sir Chris: Why are you opposed to a Haylen lynch? She is clearly the best pick. And no, we don't have a ton of time here.
Clearly? Enlighten me if you will, but no-one as I know of is anywhere near a best pick.
One wagon is much stronger than the other.
Also this. Picking wagons again. Although I see nothing that DeathNote said (besides possible lurking) that would contribute to scum wagoning.
(I do love how you work for the pope and all. :p)
My statement was that one wagon is stronger than the other. That is true. That does not preclude the one wagon being the strongest wagon possible at this time. But even if that were what I was trying to say (and it was not), we have approximately 48 hours to get a majority in a game that does not have widespread activity. To establish the case for a new lynch on someone without many votes would be foolish.

Haylen is the best pick today because she provides nothing to town. She has avoided the game for whatever reason (whether we believe her sob stories or not is irrelevant). Day 1 is good because it can lay the foundation for further inquiry in future days. If a player tries their hardest to provide anything to tie them up with, then they're scummy.

In addition, Haylen feels no urge to actually find scum. She wants to defend herself, sure, but there is no urgency in her need to push for a lynch.

Whether or not you agree with the "clearly" part, I doubt your alignment if you really want to argue that she's town. Most of the time, the best you can do on Day 1 is lynch someone who is not evidently town. I'd argue we've got more solid backing here than that, but even if we're just trying to lynch someone who is not evidently town, Haylen fits that bill.

So CrueKnight: Why are you not voting Haylen?
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:15 am

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EBWOP: "If a player tries their hardest to AVOID providing anything to tie them up with..."
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:29 am

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I feel I should claim but I don't think it's optimal play for a townie, even though I havent exactly been a good townie...ever...
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.

My prefered pronoun set is "cie/cir/cirs[elf]" but they is more than acceptable.
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:29 am

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Opposed to it? Not really. But it isn't the one I want. I see the circumstances surrounding the crue lynch and how people on it defended wicked and wicked has now decided its a good time to hop onto the wagon. I just don't like it, it feels off and wrong.

I come from a place that has 48 hour days, like, total. So this much time isn't exactly a problem for me in any way. I am usually more aggressive than this, the only thing holding me back is not having no experience on this website. Maybe I am just seeing things but it appears like the scum are circling Crue judging by their lack of logic and stuff.

However with that said if Crue is town who scum wants gone I would hope there is a possibility that Haylen is a scum that town has correctly pegged, which would fit my theory.

I still feel worse about wicked, like, much worse about Wicked. Like if I was able to shoot one player dead this very second it would be wicked, their posts are really just light. It is of course possible this is just how wicked plays, and if so, that can't be helped.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:30 am

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Haylen wrote:I feel I should claim but I don't think it's optimal play for a townie, even though I havent exactly been a good townie...ever...
More optimal than dying. Please do claim now.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:34 am

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I'm not at L-1 though.
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:37 am

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I don't know how it works here, but usually if someone is in danger of being lynched it is good to claim so that the people can have a chance to discuss it and see if they buy it or not. Waiting until you are at -1 is how mislynches and scum hammers happen. There really is no reason to wait, and I view this as stalling for time on your part. "I think I should claim, but I'll come up with all these reasons not to!"

Just claim.
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:39 am

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Hey, how's that analysis post coming Haylen?
are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:43 am

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It would be going better if every one else wasnt asking the same question.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:43 am

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Agreed. Claim because now you look like you're softclaiming to try and get people off your wagon but without the risk of being tied to a single PR later.
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:44 am

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You could just claim now and then get back to it.

Because I must confess a dislike to be kept waiting by someone I view as stalling. Here I was all excited over Wicked, and now you cross my path. Maybe I'll just vote you if you can't simply claim like you yourself brought up.
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:45 am

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Are you really trying to suggest you'd give us a good post if it weren't for all these meanies attacking you?
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:46 am

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Take this however you like, but I really like you quite a lot Inquisition. You've got fire!
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:47 am

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Haylen has failed to amuse me.

She can die now.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:53 am

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The Inquisition wrote:Are you really trying to suggest you'd give us a good post if it weren't for all these meanies attacking you?
Yep.
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:54 am

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Haylen wrote:
The Inquisition wrote:Are you really trying to suggest you'd give us a good post if it weren't for all these meanies attacking you?
Yep.
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Unvote: Wicked

Vote: Haylen


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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:55 am

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...How did that tag end up there randomly. Oh well.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:00 am

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I think that's L-1.

Claim Vig
I don't plan on killing tonight because that isn't optimal play for a vig.
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:03 am

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Do you think it is optimal play to anger people by not providing content?
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:04 am

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unvote
Shoot someone tonight.
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:04 am

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Do you think it's optimal play to stress people out so much they dont want to post?
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:08 am

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Let me make it clear, Haylen: you are shooting someone tonight. It is the only town play. If two die, then you're probably cleared (possible SK, but that's a ton of killing for a 12 person game). If one dies, you were either roleblocked (in which case the RB couldn't go after someone else), lying, or you were killed yourself, which means we probably don't have a doctor.

You whine more than a stuck pig.
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:08 am

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I never claimed to be optimal. Optimal play can be left for theorists as far as I am concerned. Truth be told I play my own style and if getting votes against you stresses you out, then I have to wonder why you even play mafia.

You are provable, so I should probably unvote you, even though I don't particularly want to.

Unvote

Vote: Wicked


My previous points still apply.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:10 am

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My mistake, this is a 15 player game. SK or two scum groups is possible. Still, you should definitely shoot.
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:19 am

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oh, and of course I overlooked the possibility that haylen IS SK. It's a pretty common SK play.
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