A good deal to respond to here...
@boberz:
reading through your case, I don't understand why the first portion of it would be more likely to be done by scum -- you yourself mention that my vote seemed almost like a trap to catch opportunistic scum. Wouldn't that imply that you would expect something like that to come from Town then?
With respect to the FoS on Patrick, I obviously disagree with you when you say it was completely pointless -- Patrick (along with Ether) is one of the two people I'd like to get a read on as early as possible. Hence, FoS. Maybe IGMEOY might have been more fitting.
boberz wrote:Lurking is not a scum tell, active lurking might be but we are much too early to discuss this.
I agree it might be too early to discuss this, but I disagree with you on your stance on lurking. I think lurking, like most other tells, is a situational tell; for someone like Ether who much enjoys being town, lurking when done by her is absolutely a scum tell. In fact, I think most people on-site and elsewhere tend to lurk more as scum than town. Active lurking is only a form of lurking, though I probably agree that it's usually a stronger tell than flat-out lurking.
boberz wrote:You try to test ksen and whoever else wants to answers logic/knowledge/ability to read the wiki, I cannot really work out why. To me town would want to help a person who has not understood by explaining said situation, not try and evaluate their effectiveness, possibly exposing them to scum manipulation later. Not that I believe ksen is a bad player, but that is another issue.
I didn't really want to test his ability to read the Wiki, actually. I was hoping that he or someone else might be able to do some critical thinking. Obviously I could have spoon fed the answer to everyone but part of my job here is to get you all thinking like Mafia players. Thinking critically for yourself is helpful in this game.
As for 3, I merely wanted clarification from DarthRandal on the thing you questioned him on because I found myself somewhat confused by it too. Why do you assume that it's me buddying up to you?
Post 13, ksen wrote:What scenario could possibly be in place to make us NOT want to exercise it?
At the risk of licking more rear-end
(heh)
what boberz said in 14 covers this.
Post 18, Ether wrote:I wasn't on AIM between...6 and 8:30ish pm last night, EST. So, um. Feel free to correct me, you two? I'm sure you're very ethical about this sort of thing.
I wasn't on AIM at all yesterday; I was busy cramming for a big exam which I just took this morning. I'm beat.
I somewhat agree with the early town tells on boberz.
Ether raises a mildly interesting point though about the pre-game stuff that I hadn't considered. I know if I were scum, I would have asked for 72 hours to confirm in order to have enough time to talk with my partner. I'm assuming Patrick and Ether, as experienced players, might have asked for similar? Won't be checking either one off as completely Town at the moment, but it's something in their favor.
Post 20, ksen wrote:How would town know it was in that situation? In the games I've played on other sites the Town doesn't normally know how many scum are in the game.
If you're claiming that you knew the number of scum in Newbie Games to be 2, why would you
not
be able to tell when we're in the type of situation mentioned by boberz even if games you've played elsewhere didn't allow you to determine this?