Mini 875 - Utopia Mafia -- Mod Abandoned

[Juls]

EBWOP... first sentence should say "saying yes...", not no.

[lewarcher82]

Maybe, but this doesnt make your first statement any stronger. Your question is not decisive about anything, except it puts power roles in a difficult situation. Therefore it is fishing.

Vote: Juls

I would like to hear what the others think (Oh, and I do not give a damn if I am counter-voting).

[Budja]

Its all just WIFOM really.

I really disagree Juls, as I said before self-sacrifice is anti-town. I'd rather lynch randomly than lynch a sacrifice. As least then we have a chance of hitting scum. We make our own sacrifices.

I think Haylen's "confession" of her play was town.
I think J-Fox needs a replacement. The fact you chose for him is suss.

I am up for lewarcher or snow white at this point.

[Juls]

That's just the thing. I don't necessarily see it as a sacrifice. I used the question to scumhunt. It was never about sacrificing.

[Budja]

I didn't really think you were actually suggesting it as a plan (that would be horribly scummy), but still that doesn't make the idea of sacrificing a good one.

If someone asked the town to vote for them to give the rest of the players an edge, do you really think it a good idea to lynch them based on that?
The fact is that by lynching our collective scummiest, as per usual, we get to pick our "sacrifice" and even have a better chance of hitting scum.
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unvote, vote Snow

[lewarcher82]

No. You used the question to fish.

[Snow White]

@Budja. Your up for lynching Lewarcher or myself at this point if i have not mistaken your post 154.

You vote me 2posts later. Any elaboration?

The sacrafice thing is all subject to WIFOM. Even were i scum (a factor no one can rule out), i would have agreed that i would happily be sacraficed. Im not scum for the record. But i dont expect anyone except scum to take my word for that.

Overall i think Juls posed a good question. Firstly because well now we all know where we stand. Secondly. Maemuki is still my first and foremost suspect. Something just rubs me up the wrong way. Second is Budja for that vote without giving actual factual reasons. Im happiest with reasons.

Anywho gotta run to nursing. Be back later.
Snow White.

[lewarcher82]

@Snow: if you were scum, you say you would prolly answer yes. And you say the sacrifice thing is all subject to WIFOM. Then how is it a good question? How do you know "where" people stand?

To me, the most scummy of the four would be lewarcher or Haylen. Both avoided the question on their first post after it was asked. Scum would probably want to hear what others (maybe other buddies) were saying first before responding.

1st: I didn't avoid the question, and you know it, since you immediately register my first answer as "not willing to sacrifice". I simply tried to provide meta-information to explain my position.

Then you saw that someone felt confused by my answer and you decided it was useful to say that I avoided the question

. This is scummy. You are fishing AND scummy.

2nd: assume your question was really useful to scumhunt (

it isn't, it is fishing

): why didn't you comment on people who waited for the others to answer before taking a position?

[Budja]

unvote, vote lewarcher

for inconsistancy on top of the previous.
Juls question is only scummy after you are called suspicious because of it. I didn't hear you complaining about fishing before. (Yeah, I did a reread. Look at lewarcher's opinions/reaction to the question in iso).

@snow, TBH I just wanted to see what your reaction would be . You reacted alright and answered my question. I assumed Mae was still a random vote.

[lewarcher82]

I called it fishy as soon as she explained that the no's were scum. This statement implies that power roles who may have answered no are forced to defend. This makes the question fishy.

I will be glad to give any further clarification, cuz Juls, darling, you are scum. And you will remain scum even if you get me lynched today town will finally realise it.

[Haylen]

The reason I missed that question was because I wanted to make a quick post, so I control + F'd my name, answered the question and wrote my random musings at the end of the post. It what I do when I don't have much time.

[Juls]

Let me be clear...I don't believe everyone who answered no is scum. I do feel that one or more scum WOULD answer no to that question. And by seeing all the no's, we now have a small subset to look at. Specifically, I think that you and/or Haylen may be scum. J-Fox, I have no idea because he is nonexistent in this game and needs to be replaced.

I am not fishing, I have not asked a single person their role...Truth be told, I don't think there are any power roles in the game at this point and even if there are, we will catch up if we lose them. The mod states in the queue:

In Utopia mafia, the game may start out with not a lot of power either side, but as one side starts to lose members and become closer to defeat, they become more and more powerful. Would you knowingly lynch a team-mate to increase powerroles for the rest of your team?

[lewarcher82]

Asking a person for their role is stupid. Putting them in a situation where they risk to be forced to share info about their role is fishing.

I do not think that power roles do not exist at the moment. They just will become more powerful:

Rules:

SPECIAL GAME NOTE:

During this game each faction will make its own progression through the hostilities: Unfriendly, Hostile, and At War. This occurs when that side loses a member, or possibly another condition for third party factions (if any). At each stage there will be an increase in the power of that side, through better power-roles or other.

Also, I insist that it is ridiculous to think that a scum would answer "Hell, yeah, I need to survive (muwahahahahah - satanic laughter)".

[Tjoe Min Ja]

Juls: IMO, I think the scummiest in your list is Budja.

I still don't think a town will put someone in L-3 (it's L-2 if J-fox didn't forget to unvote)
and I certainty don't like the way you willing "sacrifice" other to "test" so that you "may" get a scum (what so called "only scum will hammer at this point") while in the other hand you won't sacrifice yourself

[Tjoe Min Ja]

btw, Budja&lewarcher : do you think the question is usefull to find scum?or it's just a piece of crap.

until then...

unvote

vote : Budja

[Budja]

@Tjoe,
1. L-3 is not really not that risky at all. I thought we had already gone over this.
2. you misunderstand me, by choosing a sacrifice, I mean decide on a lynch as per normal not ask for volunteers. That, as I have already stated would be horribly scummy.

I think the question was good in that it sparked reactions/conversation. I don't think the results are particular compelling. If I had to make I choice I would say that scum would more likely say yes and join the majority (and Juls' choice) but mostly I think it is a lot of WIFOM.

But the question had exposed lewarcher scum which makes it useful in the end, but not in the way Juls wanted it to be.

J-Fox, I have no idea because he is nonexistent in this game and needs to be replaced.

Then why did you put him in the 'no' group?

I called it fishy as soon as she explained that the no's were scum. This statement implies that power roles who may have answered no are forced to defend. This makes the question fishy.

But by placing into yes/no categories would help scum find PR's by your logic anyway. You showed no negative reaction to it until you were targeted by it.

[lewarcher82]

@Budja: you are right. It just became more evident after her statement. I did not immediatly realise it, although I did not like questions in the first place (but I have no way to prove this).

@Tjoe: I think I was clear enough on the point. The question does not help scumhunting. The question is rolefishing. And Juls's attempt to say I was evasive (way after peacefully placing me among the no's) is a scummy attempt to use Snow's post to stop me from explaining my suspicions.

My V/LA starts in 2 hours and will last til tomorrow at this time, more or less

[Tjoe Min Ja]

is it just me or some people gone missing?

Taranski, mentosman, Malthusis, haylen : what's your opinion?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@mod

: btw, Taranski, mentosman, and Malthusis haven't post for 72 hours...can you prod them?

Budja, it won't over. all the people in the wagon will got extra attention from me.
btw,I don't missunderstand. I already understand your point about not giving up
what your opinion about Juls?

Lewarcher : but that make you believe that Juls is scum, don't you?

Juls, what make you pick lewarcher over haylen? elaborate case please.

other thought perhaps?

[Juls]

@Tjoe: I would be willing to lynch either lewarcher or Haylen. Neither have done anything in the way of scumhunting. Budja on the other hand has. Why I chose lewarcher over Haylen? There is no real reason other than Budja and J-Fox are eliminated from contention for me sense Budja is scumhunting and J-Fox is non existent. And the aforementioned lack of scumhunting make both front runners for me.

Which leads me to Budja's question. I put J-Fox with the no's for the sake of moving on and not waiting for a replacement sense the mod is away. I didn't think it was necessary to stall the game. But I can't justify lynching a guy because he may have quit the site until I see a replacement.


TL;DR: I will vote Lewarcher or Haylen.

[Maemuki]

You know? The fact that Lewacher voted Juls after she made the question is extremely scum - oh crap, Budja got there before I

Why is it rolefishing, lewacher? Juls didn't ask for roles or anything of sorts.

Maemuki is still my first and foremost suspect.

Let me guess. Gut + joining a bandwagon that just happened to be yours? (Answer please.) Oh, why are you not voting for me by the way?

Im happiest with reasons.

That's why you didn't give reasons to me, right?

1) A scum would not answer no to such a question.

And risk being lynched?

2) The purpose of asking such a question can be to throw suspicion on honest townies who just admit they want to survive and, possibly, to survivors. Moreover, it can be an attempt to fish the PR's. This makes the whole question scummy to me.

Honest townies? Depends. Either way - we're better lynching scum than town - you're attacking the question because you can't find another defence.

See qhat I mean now?

No.

Lewacher. Try to redeem yourself, answer to questions, stop trying to OMGUS Juls.

[Budja]

@Tjoe, you most certainly misunderstand me.

What I was saying is:
- having a townie sacrifice is bad
- it is better if we lynch someone as we usually do in mafia
- then we have a chance of hitting scum
- and if we hit town, it will have the same effect as having a sacrifice.

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@Mae, why no vote?

@Juls, what you you think of the actual case on lewarcher?

[Juls]

The case of how he is behaving after the fact? I buy it. I think it's a legitimate case. It probably gives him the edge over Haylen for scum.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

*sigh*

@Budha : what is your opinion about Juls and haylen then?

[Maemuki]

@ Budja, because I have no freaking idea of what the votecount is and I want lewacher to answer to my question. What's the votecount by the way?