Border of Touhou and Mafia ~ Game Over!

[tubby216]

well sure then

unvote, vote plum

[Plum]

well sure then

unvote, vote plum

Oh G-d, please don't tell me this is another game where I'll have pegged someone as such obvscum it makes me sick but he slips through my fingers.

Xyl: I accept that my play was poor in that instance. I regret that you find me scummy, but I can't unkill Sotty so the best thing I can do is make it as blazingly obvious to you as it is to me that Tubby is scum (or if he isn't I'll have to reach through the internet and throttle him after the game). I will, however, make a brief defense:

Consider that I tend to be fairly conservative and overexplain-y as scum. especially in a game which ended recently (to the degree that in a recent game as scum I explained why I thought Ythill was was Town

in LYLO

, when, as he pointed out later, there was no real Town incentive to do, קל וחומר‎ with a daykill I certainly would have made a case on Sotty and probably not have risked looking bad by not asking for a claim). Consider also that I am mostly unversed in the art of the Daykill. I cannot be sure I'd agree with your general approach, but the fact remains that I am a neophtye and that my mistakes (while certainly regrettable) are more likely indicators of newbness at Daykilling than scummy Daykilling, especially in light of the first part of my defense.

That will be all.

All: Consider how Tubby is shamelessly snagging onto your argument against me without even bothering to

pretend

to think for himself (note he asked for your reason for voting me and followed, without commenting at all for himself what he thought of the play Xyl found scummy). Consider how he did that yesterday when Xyl voted Pesco over Dram, and consider that Dram

flipped scum

. Despite the fact that:

and so scum is either dram or kmd and everyone is leaning dram.

He posts the above without voting, asks if Kmd is confirmed Town, then, despite the fact that he agreed to the apparent dichotomy, votes Pesco because he agrees with Xyl because he "hasn't lead me astry before".

On that topic - which appears again in his vote for me - let me quote the relevent portion of a recent post from Zakeri:

Tubby by far looks the scummiest here. for all of his votes, he goes for the "I feel/I agree/I'd rather, but" style. A Quick look in Iso shows he's never once stated why he felt someone or something someone did was scummy or not. This persists even though he claims he's read through the game twice. This demonstrates to me, and hopefully others that he's not attempting to scumhunt and just trying to get more lynches into the game.

This becomes even more blatant in this exchange found on page 28:

I did quick rereads of the living players, and most of them look vaguely but not strongly town. tubby216 and zwet are glaring exceptions.

well it ain't me so

vote, zwet

It startles me to see how many people seem to have missed that his reason for voting Zwet isn't "I think he's most likely scum" but instead "Please don't lynch me."

He claims to have read the game twice over, and that he was only joking when he presented the replacements rule - reading the last two pages and following the most Pro-town guy's lead. I don't think he was joking when he said it, because he still acts like he has not read most of the game, and is still following Xyl's lead like a puppy to the extent that his vote is "the guy Xyl will vote for that is not me."

CONFIRM vote: Tubby216

[Xylthixlm]

Oh G-d, please don't tell me this is another game where I'll have pegged someone as such obvscum it makes me sick but he slips through my fingers.

So... why didn't you kill tubby? Hmm?

[zwetschenwasser]

Plum seems incredibly nervous.

[Plum]

Oh G-d, please don't tell me this is another game where I'll have pegged someone as such obvscum it makes me sick but he slips through my fingers.

So... why didn't you kill tubby? Hmm?

He became obvscum when he voted me the way he did, as I explained above. I am praying that now it is clear to me that he's almost certainly scum he won't slip through my fingers because of my perceived scumminess. This happened the time I was lynched and it was incredibly frustrating and morale-lowering.

Plum seems incredibly nervous.

Yes. I do that when suspected as any alignment. What do you think of Tubby?

[Zakeri]

He became obvscum when he voted me the way he did, as I explained above.

Actually you're wrong. He was obvscum waaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier than that.

Xyl, What do you think about Tubby?
What do you think other people would likely say about Tubby's actions?
Of the two differing opinions, do you feel that what you think or what others would think is less derived from Bias?

Also, KMD, where did you go?

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, What do you think about Tubby?

I would have been happy to see him daykilled. There's no reason to think he's town. zwet falls in the same category.

What do you think other people would likely say about Tubby's actions?

I don't speak for other people.

Of the two differing opinions, do you feel that what you think or what others would think is less derived from Bias?

If someone else disagrees with me, I'm right, obviously.

Hmm... actually. If we're down to one scum (we should be), we can afford to lynch tubby and zwet in the next two days... they shouldn't be left for lylo. Then if neither of them is scum, it goes down to a 3-person endgame with players who aren't tubby or zwet, which is winnable. Not a sure thing, but winnable.

BTW: zwet is totally

not

cleared. I pondered this a bit and zwet's buddies bussing him heavily is a move I've seen before. Don't assume he's town just because of how Hulk attacked him.

Actually...

unvote, vote zwetschenwasser

[zwetschenwasser]

I just LOVE speculation votes, don't you?

[Xylthixlm]

zwet, who do you want to lynch?

[Vi]

Utsuho Reiuji, Part 1
An ordinary crow youkai who flies around the deepest part of Hell scavenging whatever she can get. Being a birdbrain that lives off the remains of sinners, she's not what you would call very intelligent. Oh, and by the way, someone fed her the sun god when nobody was looking and gave her freaking nuclear power.
Now surging with unthinkable, uncontrollable energy and thus driven into a power-fueled delusional mindstate, she released her excess power by making Hell hotter than ever before, and began making plans to take over the overworld, scorch it into oblivion, and literally make everyone's life a giant living hell.
Then she got sense knocked back into her, and she went back to mindlessly tending the flaming depths - this time, in the Moriya Shrine's power plants.
Her arm cannon attracts as many admirers as her window-into-space cape.

Vote Count:

tubby216 (L-2) ~ Zakeri, Plum

Plum (L-3) ~

Xylthixlm,

tubby216
Xylthixlm (L-3) ~ zwetschenwasser
Zakeri (L-3) ~ Kmd4390
zwetschenwasser (L-3) ~

tubby216,

Xylthixlm
[size=0]Kmd 2| Plum 0 | tubby 0 | Xyl 0 | Zakeri 0 | zwet 0[/size]

--With 6 alive, it will take 4 to drop a Super Youkai Warhead on someone...

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(19%)

[Zakeri]

I don't speak for other people.

If someone else disagrees with me, I'm right, obviously.

Well, at least I can confirm that I'm working with somebody who doesn't understand the first concept of critical thinking.

KMD, We need every player we can get here now. I know you are not mafia, so if you are lurking, just say hi or something.

[Xylthixlm]

Well, at least I can confirm that I'm working with somebody who doesn't understand the first concept of critical thinking.

Apparently you haven't played with me before.

[Xylthixlm]

Zakeri: Do me a favor, do an iso read on zwet and tell me what you see.

[zwetschenwasser]

Right now I'd like a Plum lynch.

[tubby216]

Right now I'd like a Plum lynch.

then you should be voting plum instead of xyl for some reason

[Kmd4390]

Also, KMD, where did you go?

Let me quote something.

Oh, and I may not be around much. I work overnight for 8 nights in a row starting tomorrow and have class Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday and have to be up early for classes Tuesday and Thursday. And I'll probably spend most of Wednesday catching up on the sleep I'm not getting. Maybe the weekend too. And I have a new girlfriend (since Monday) that I'm gonna be giving time to too. And I'm going to a concert 2-3 hours away from where I live. And I have homework/projects to put time into.

See why I'm quitting mafia? lol.

^That's where I went.

Town's too divided for a 19% battery.

Unvote, Vote Tubby

. Bad choice, but I don't want to no lynch. Zwet is an even worse choice. Plum might be scum. Still think Zakeri is the most likely scum, but no one is following that.

[Xylthixlm]

Kmd, why is zwet a bad choice? Is there anything beyond the interaction with Hulk? I did some deep thinking there and my conclusion is that it makes zwet

more

likely to be scum.

[Kmd4390]

I don't think Hulk was bussing. I think he was latching on to an easy townie.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't think Hulk was bussing. I think he was latching on to an easy townie.

I've seen zwet get bussed hard out of the gate before (e.g. Lynch All Lurkers mafia). It's a pretty sound strategy for him - he's at risk of a policy lynch anyways, so if he does get lynch it gives his buddies town credit, and if he doesn't get lynched the fact that he was attacked hard by scum will prevent a lynch on him later in the game.

Really, take a look at the Hulk/zwet interaction again, and ask yourself:

what would be the downside of this strategy for scum?

I can't really find one. It seems bizarre, but with zwet, heavily bussing him as a policy lynch is good scum strategy.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why would I be afraid of a policy lynch?

[Xylthixlm]

Why would I be afraid of a policy lynch?

I didn't say "afraid of", I said "at risk of". But either way, I'm pretty sure you can answer this question yourself.

[Vi]

Nazrin, Part 1
A not-so-humble mouse youkai who was found scurrying about with dowsing rods searching for treasure. Actually the commander of an army of mice, her mission was to scour the earth for the Pagoda of Vaisravana so that her master could be unsealed from the depths of Makai. This purpose wasn't revealed until the protagonists and Nazrin met again in Makai and found that the Pagoda's light shoots lasers of awesomeness.
As a field mouse field commander, she's not very patient with people, which is somewhat odd considering she's about as low on the food chain as Wriggle...

Vote Count:

tubby216 (L-1) ~ Zakeri, Plum, Kmd4390

Plum (L-3) ~ tubby216
Xylthixlm (L-3) ~ zwetschenwasser
zwetschenwasser (L-3) ~ Xylthixlm

Zakeri (L-4) ~

Kmd4390

[size=0]Kmd 0| Plum 1 | tubby 0 | Xyl 0 | Zakeri 0 | zwet 0[/size]

-tubby216 is at L-1!

--With 6 alive, it will take 4 to drop a Super Youkai Warhead on someone...

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(12%)

[tubby216]

jesus either hammer or mover your votes we are at 12%

[Plum]

Do you want to claim or not?

[tubby216]

no i will not claim, mainly cause i don't get it, so just hammer away please cause its sooo scummy not to claim