Open 181 - Fire and Ice (Over)

charter · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:45 pm

Anyhow, with this game down the toilet, might as well just win one for the town.

vote Lab Mafia

FOS all those voting ani, even if he is probably scum.

charter · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:46 pm

Also not /in when this has to be restarted.

saberwolf · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:48 pm

I'll be /in when this restarts, but yeah, this game has been ruined i suppose, now that the NK immune issue's been brought up...it's not like we can all pretend that he isn't scum and bring hm back in the game.

Vaya · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:52 pm

If we're going to restart this, I'm not sure if I'll /in back for it.

charter · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:53 pm

So Lab mafia was scum. Ani is scum. Who is the last one? Really can't even make a guess out of it.

Alduskkel · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:54 pm

saberwolf is my partner.

Vaya · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:57 pm

ani was my partner.

charter · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:58 pm

Lab Mafia. What the hell were you doing?

saberwolf · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:00 pm

who was the doctor?

vaya, not gonna lie, but you're questioning of sens and then agreeing smelled of bussing. I don't know if I ever would of acted on it, cause I could say anything now that the roles have been revealed, but at least I'll say good job to sens for being the first to pick up on ani's post.

saberwolf · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:02 pm

btw, i told ald to NK charter so that the lab mafia lynch would become more likely, but as you can see, he still lives, so either doc protected charter, or ald didn't PM the mod, or his kill didn't count when he died.

Alduskkel · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:03 pm

I definitely sent in the kill.

saberwolf · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:05 pm

ALD: as if you took my post catch and used it as your sig

Col.Cathart · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:11 pm

Well, I like the setup, so I'll probably /In again for the restart. Extremely weird game, gotta say. Some of the people reactions were complete mystery to me, but all those claims are explaining much.

Also, who was the doc?

SensFan · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:21 pm

I'll /in for the restart, but (having missed the fact that Scum can't cross-kill), how the hell is Town supposed to win this?

Alduskkel · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:27 pm

You lynch the Mafia. Is there something I'm missing?

ConfidAnon · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:28 pm

Ya know, I'll actually /in for this restart.

Alduskkel · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:33 pm

Yeah, /in for restarted game.

ConfidAnon · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:33 pm

Note to self: DO NOT PUT RANDOM.ORG IN YOUR RVS VOTE

SensFan · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:51 pm

Alduskkel wrote:You lynch the Mafia. Is there something I'm missing?

2-2-8
(Scum A lynch)
1-2-8
(2 Town kills)
1-2-6
(Scum B lynch)
1-1-6
(2 Town kills)
1-1-4
(Scum lynch)
1-4
(Town kill)
1-3
(Town No Lynches, for numbers)
1-2

So Town has lynched right 3 straight times, and now needs a 4th straight Scum lynch to win.

Alduskkel · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:54 pm

That's pretty unlucky. The Doctor would have to never successfully protect, Mafia would have to never target each other, the Mafia would have to never target the same person, and the Town would have to spread out their lynches between the two teams. Given that when one Mafioso dies everyone will be looking for connections, it's more likely for the other one in the team to get lynched than one from the other team.

SensFan · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:57 pm

I still don't like games where the Town's lynches can be rendered moot due to large number of Scum.

More to the point, why can't Scum be cross-killed? Games have been run (closed, admittedly) where the Town had considerable more power than this in a 2-2-8 set-up, Scum could crosskill, and scumteams have won. Why are they exempt in this set-up?

Alduskkel · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:58 pm

Probably to prevent mass cross kills. The scum teams are pretty small and vulnerable if they don't have NK immunity.

SensFan · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:59 pm

Again, 2-2-8 set-ups are far from unusual. What makes this one special?

Vaya · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:07 pm

saberwolf wrote:vaya, not gonna lie, but you're questioning of sens and then agreeing smelled of bussing. I don't know if I ever would of acted on it, cause I could say anything now that the roles have been revealed, but at least I'll say good job to sens for being the first to pick up on ani's post.

Sorry, but your kinda wrong. I wasn't really agreeing with Sens with my vote, I was just wagoning for the sake of wagoning, as I do plenty as town. I was actually expecting someone to question my vote so that I could respond by saying that I thought the tell was slight at best and that I was just wagoning.

Also I kinda agree with Sens that I don't understand why cross-killings are not allowed. I don't think it makes the game too hard for town, the scenario Sens described is a worst-case scenario for the town, but I'm not sure if I see the point.

SensFan · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:39 pm

Vaya wrote:the scenario Sens described is a worst-case scenario for the town, but I'm not sure if I see the point.

You don't see a problem with a game where the Town lynches right 3 out of 3 times, and is still in a 3p endgame?

Town needs 4 correct lynches to win the game. One mislynch can lose it.