Mini 861: Hellsing Mafia - (Game Over!)

[Chaco]

My flip does.

[Netopalis]

*sigh.*


This is not a valid argument! (tm)


I trademarked it because I seem to be using it a lot lately.

[Chaco]

It will be later on.

[Netopalis]

Not....not particularly.


Even if you do magically turn out to be town, say, as a reverse-death-miller, your arguments will still be crap. They don't become golden or even golden crap once you flip.

[magnus_orion]

But by your own argument, anti-town != scummy. Shotty's misrepresentation of the connection between two players is not necessarily scummy - it is bad logic, which is anti-town, but not scummy.


I don't buy this argument at all, but it is the logical conclusion of your statements.

no that's different. anti-town != scummy, but scummy == scummy
scummy also happens to be a subset of antitown

so like

( anti-town actions (scummy actions)...)

[magnus_orion]

Hit submit instead of preview...
meant to add that shotty's actions are something I consider scummy, scum are more likely to use evidence that is under direct influence of scum than not.

[Chaco]

Agreed with the above.

Also, it will read as Luke's but with Jan. No reverse death miller shit.

[magnus_orion]

("agreed with the above" referring to?)

Magnus's opposing me yet attacking me doesn't add up much, scum strat?

I can strongly disagree with you and still think you're town at the same time.

[Doombunny9]

Chaco, you still do not see the point here.

If you are lynched or killed and flip town then what you think about everyone will not suddenly come true. For example, if you die that will not make me scum or anyone else. You can be wrong. You don't seem to accept that.

Anyway, I may or may not be joining the bandwagon on chaco depending on what I hear from both of them soon. Because, to be honest chaco and SSK are both at the top of my scumlist and fighting each other for first.

[Chaco]

The one not referring to shotty, but anti town is the subset of scummy.

And true I guess, however I was meaning disagree with my lynch. But still holds true,

[Chaco]

You are correct Doom, howver, it will not help you in the slightest.

[magnus_orion]

The one not referring to shotty, but anti town is the subset of scummy.

And true I guess, however I was meaning disagree with my lynch. But still holds true,

NO!
Scummy is a subset of anti-town

[Netopalis]

Alright, Magnus, if you think that both SSK and Chaco are town, then there has to be another mafia member out there somewhere. Who from the following is scum?

1. forbiddanlight
2. Netopalis
4. magnus_orion
5. Konowa
11. Doombunny9
12. Albert B. Rampage

Also, who do you feel might be a potential Serial Killer, if anyone?

[MafiaSSK]

Chaco, you still do not see the point here.

If you are lynched or killed and flip town then what you think about everyone will not suddenly come true. For example, if you die that will not make me scum or anyone else. You can be wrong. You don't seem to accept that.

Anyway, I may or may not be joining the bandwagon on chaco depending on what I hear from both of them soon. Because, to be honest chaco and SSK are both at the top of my scumlist and fighting each other for first.

You're very tunneled...

[magnus_orion]

Alright, Magnus, if you think that both SSK and Chaco are town, then there has to be another mafia member out there somewhere. Who from the following is scum?

1. forbiddanlight
2. Netopalis
4. magnus_orion
5. Konowa
11. Doombunny9
12. Albert B. Rampage

Also, who do you feel might be a potential Serial Killer, if anyone?

konowa.

Serial killer?
Don't know there is one. Guess you or DB.

[Netopalis]

You're very tunneled...

You're very useless....

[MafiaSSK]

You're very tunneled...

You're very useless....

? How is stating tells useless?

[Netopalis]

*sigh* You never post more than a single line and that single line never shows a great deal of familiarity with the game state.

[Chaco]

What he says is true though, you and Doom both are beyond tunneled it's not even funny.

[Netopalis]

You see....Tunneling isn't just being vociferous towards a player's lynch. It's being vociferous towards a player's lynch

despite evidence that would make them seem town-aligned

. There is no such evidence. You have both convinced me that you are scum.

[Konowa]

Few things.

Deadline is Saturday if I recall correctly. I am against a Chaco lynch. The people I would considering lynching is SSK or Shotty.

I really do not like how Shotty has disappeared since this whole Chaco/SSK fiasco has arrived. Like magnus, I still think that a Shotty lynch is the best play for today. His [magnus] 1229 and 1255 sum up my thoughts I posted earlier.

If Net did not shoot as claimed, then there is a SK.

[Netopalis]

Konowa: Or a second vig. Or a doc who kills the patients he protects. Or a jack of all trades. Or an inventor. Or two scumgroups. Or....

[Konowa]

I rather not go through that list and tell you why each is most likely to be wrong, just listen to me when I say that SK is the most plausible.

[Chaco]

Bah, I guess I really should stop trying the reversal tactic since it seems to not be working in the slightest. I am not near as dumb as Net is passing me off to be. I was indeed trying to go for an unorthodox method of getting Doom lynched, which I will explain in due time. However, now I believe I should clear quite a bit of things up. I was playing like this for a few reasons.

1)

I was trying to gauge reactions to how I was playing, and how they reacted as such to my words.

• A)
  It helped a lot in all honesty, as I got quite a few good reads off of people. More or less gut reads based off of reactions, these furthuermore, goes as follows:
  • Town
    :
    ABR
    Mafia SSK (based off of Meta, and his reads)
    
    
    Speculative (No particular order, these are just the people I am still evaluating)
    :
    Forbiddanlight
    Kanowa
    Shotty
    Netopalis
    
    
    Scum
    :
    
    Preferred Lynch
    : Doombunny
    
    
    ***Magnus_Orion (His play just unnerves me, and he gives me SK vibes)

Now, the reasoning for what I did. I found myself at a loss for how to explain why I felt Doom was scum, as I have mentioned slightly. Doom is a very scummy styled player so I found it hard to effectively nail on the head why indeed he was setting so much off to me. I've read through several times, and in general his play leaves a bad feel to me. It seems like he doesn't care near at all when it comes to lynching, he seems pretty ready to lynch whoever. As opposed to Net, who does seem to care, but is rightfully misguided. I say rightfully because I would want to lynch me too, considering the style of play I was using. However, there are parts of the argument I was using against Net as to see how he would take them. Such as the "Town versus Town" argument. I was seeing how he would react to this, and at first he didn't ring right. But looking over again, I do like his play somewhat more. But I do insist that he vig tonight. Further waiting on the vig will leave us a mess in endgame, and that is something we absolutely do not need. This clears you, and allows us to play more effectively as a whole. This is a similarity I had to my own lynch, I am a high suspect as of right now, and there is no way to clear myself. I am uncounter claimed, however this still leaves a trivial part to my claim. I could be scum, from your perspective, and there is no way to prove that unless I am indeed lynched. Which is why I did not heavily oppose my own lynch. As you may consider this terrible logic, but it is a method. Moving right along, I still do want Doom lynched, however as a further I would rather look back more to see who else would be a considerable target. I do not want Net lynched, I'll openly say that now. I want him to prove himself, and by waiting longer it only makes him look worse. Town NEEDS to make an agreement on this before deadline. If we stay divided on the matter it is going to give leeway if he is scum. We cannot allow that leeway.

...I am hungry. More to come in a bit.

[Doombunny9]

You're very tunneled...

I don't see how what you just pointed out is tunneling. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... nel_vision That is the wiki article on tunneling. Tell me where I'm convinced of my arguements no matter what happens. If anyone is doing this is might as well be chaco with his "When I flip everyone will vote doom" PoV no matter what happens.

It seems like he doesn't care near at all when it comes to lynching, he seems pretty ready to lynch whoever.

Read what I wrote earlier. I said You and SSK are both at the top of my list and are almost tied for first. So yes, I don't really care which one of you I want to lynch because you're both equally scummy to me but I don't just want to lynch "whoever".

Also, I STILL haven't heard a post from SSK regarding the wall of text I have on him (Is he really reading this?) so I will say this one more time. In large text. And bolded. Just so he can get it through his head.

SSK, READ MY POST ABOUT YOU. IT'S THE GIANT WALL OF TEXT. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

Thank you... Anyway, I think my vote on SSK is good considering he DOESN'T EVEN READ THE GAME!