Mini 878: Nouns Mafia - Da game is ovah!


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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:53 am

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And honestly, if you focus on scumhunting and don't worry too much about your image, you'll look less scummy to people.

Other than me (since you've done it in part already), make a case on someone you think is likely Scum, or should be looked at more closely.


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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:36 am

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Well, the other two that I'd look into would be MacavityLock and Iec, as I mentioned earlier. I feel that Iec is being far, far too nitpicky. If you deconstruct anyone's statements far enough, sure, you can back them into a corner. It's called the Socratic Method. I feel, though, that he's using this not as a scumhunting tool, but as an aggression tool to make the town tunnel towards a lynch.

MacavityLock has been on V/LA, but his posts really do show a willingness to go along with whatever everybody else has said. I'm willing to remove this suspicion later and cut him some slack due to the status, but I think it definitely should be noted.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:27 pm

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Unvote: Boxman
and demote him to a
Major HoS
Vote: Netopalis


The end of page 10 looks a lot like he's trying too hard to look town. #247 is awful.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:46 am

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Boxman has been posting in his other games. FYI.

I love that search isn't disabled anymore.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:47 am

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Well, in that case, we've given him more than enough chances.

Unvote, vote: Boxman
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:02 am

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We need more activity from:
Boxman, lurker scum
Parhelic, being replaced
Percy, food poisoning
Seol, busy bee
ML, VLA
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:03 am

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I
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there was a reason why I thought this was a seven-man game.

@Stranger, expand on your 252. Why does the end of page 10 make you change your vote to Net?
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder,
without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:07 am

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Neto's eventual vote on Boxman will prove interesting if Boxman turns up scum.

It seems conceivable to me that boxman saw my post that town is more likely to forget about the game and is trying to use that to his advantage by "forgetting" again.

Let's lynch.

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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:09 am

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Boxman even said he added it to his watched topics, so I don't see what his excuse could be now.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:14 am

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elvis, post 258 wrote:Boxman even said he added it to his watched topics, so I don't see what his excuse could be now.
This.

unvote;

vote Boxman
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder,
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:28 am

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How many votes is that...?
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:31 am

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4 me, 5 Boxman.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:14 am

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Still busy, but wanted to pop in to clarify that I'm still happy with my vote on Boxman.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:32 am

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Barring interesting new analysis, I'll vote for Boxman once Parhelic's replacement has had a chance to chime in.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:23 pm

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Konowa wrote:@Stranger, expand on your 252. Why does the end of page 10 make you change your vote to Net?
Netopalis wrote:And as for my illogical thing on Sens, I guess it was really just a reaction to his stated policy of not giving reasoning/posting his thoughts. In retrospect, I probably should have backed down a bit earlier....But I was attacked in a recent game for backing down on an argument too easily. I guess I'm trying to find the line where backing down isn't considered anti-town play vs. where pressing too doggedly is anti-town play.
OK, looking harder at this, he says he's trying to find a happy medium between two extremes. OK, but why did I originally read this as "I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't?" It's hard to figure out his mindset here, and it doesn't come off as natural.
Netopalis wrote:Well, a townie who always shows up as scummy isn't much help, are they? They just get in the way....
This is the awful post I speak of as it implies support for lynching village idiots. Do that and scum has an easy win.
Netopalis wrote:Fair enough, I guess....
Am I the only person reading this as Net going with the flow?
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:37 pm

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With all due respect, I just spent the last 8 pages going against the flow.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:43 pm

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That's all fine and dandy. Maybe there's nothing wrong with the last post I quoted.
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:46 pm

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Oh, and in response to the townies getting in the way, I was referring to myself, not advocating a policy lynch. Please read it in context with the surrounding bits.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:49 pm

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Hi guys, I'm back; I'll have a post done within 24 hours, and I promise to make it good :D
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:05 pm

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Hallelujah! Only a few more to go until we actually have a game going!
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57 pm

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Vote Count Tweleven

Boxman:
5 (Konowa, Netopalis, mathcam, elvis_knits, Seol)
Netopalis:
4 (StrangerCoug, SensFan, Iecerint, Boxman)

Not Voting:
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:53 am

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To summarise my feelings so far:

I'm disappointed in Boxman. I felt his "return" post was minimalistic, almost designed to be so. The way he ended it:
Boxman wrote:For now, I believe these were the two most major issues?
I don't like this at all. Feels like he
knows
he's trying to skate by with minimal contributions, and get our approval for his level of participation. I don't like lurker lynches day 1, but I'm not letting him off the hook unless he turns things around dramatically.

I'm
very
uncomfortable with Netopalis. Whilst his position on random wagons is consistent with other games, he's coming across as far too concerned about the Boxman wagon. Bits like:
Netopalis wrote:Well, I was watching Boxman's sig, and it didn't include this game until he posted on here, which lends credibility to the "Forgot about the game" thing.
show that he was paying way more attention to Boxman than I'd expect. Over-reacting and over-defensive, and tunnelling in on frankly irrelevant issues. I agree with elvis in that most of his behaviour is only demonstrably scummy, as opposed to anomalous, if Boxman is scum too, but I have to say I'm uneasy about him regardless.
mathcam wrote:Neto's eventual vote on Boxman will prove interesting if Boxman turns up scum.
That it will. Flipping from arguing against the wagon to being on it on the basis of just a little more lurking feels contrived.

A lot of what's been happening recently is people arguing with Neto, and generally I don't have much to add to it: where I disagree, it's on generalised theory of play basis, rather than anything I find suspicious, and I don't think we need much more deconstruction of disclosure policy etc. But right now, we need to resolve the Boxman situation, one way or the other.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:50 am

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StrangerCoug wrote:
Netopalis wrote:Well, a townie who always shows up as scummy isn't much help, are they? They just get in the way....
This is the awful post I speak of as it implies support for lynching village idiots. Do that and scum has an easy win.
I read that differently. I will reserve my interpretation of it until Neto clarifies, though, just in case.

Neto... what did you mean?
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:26 am

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Netopalis wrote:Oh, and in response to the townies getting in the way, I was referring to myself, not advocating a policy lynch. Please read it in context with the surrounding bits.
This is what I meant. I suspect he read in isolation....Here is what it looks like in context.
SensFan wrote: ...
Also, your primary goal shouldn't be not looking scummy, that's Scum's job. Work on finding Scum, don't worry about if you look good or bad while doing it.
Netopalis wrote:Well, a townie who always shows up as scummy isn't much help, are they? They just get in the way....

I was responding to Sens' point.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:51 am

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Trying to not look scummy doesn't make you not look scummy. Not trying to not look scummy doesn't make you look scummy.

Doing things with too much focus on how it makes you look is questionable in itself.
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