Mafia 103 - Ktown Mafia (Game Over)

[Torqez]

Sorry guys, I forgot to post here, I'm usually V/LA on the weekends. Will be back active tomorrow morning (my time).

[Katniss]

Hm.

I am still leaning a little bit on wickedestjr

, but he has responded very reasonably in defending his actions.

To answer his question, I probably couldn't think of a question right off the bat, so no

.

FoS: Katniss

What are your reasons for finding me suspcious still then? Earlier you said it was because you didn't like the questions I was asking, yet, now you say you couldn't think of any better questions for me to have asked.

*sigh*

Yes,

earlier

I said I didnt like your questions, but that changed

later

. It was

later

that you gave good responses as to why you had made those questions, and I ended up thinking they were very reasonable, so looking back on it I figured that I may have been wrong about you

earlier

and as a result, I unvoted you, and thought of you as less suspicious. That 'little bit' part of my post was basically just my gut left over suspicions of you. As I said, it was only a 'little bit', so I wasn't feeling very strong in my suspicion against you.

Now I answer your question, and you twist it around to make me look scummy. To explain myself, I couldn't think of a question right off the bat, as in right now, because it's difficult to think of a question, when you aren't "in the moment" at the time, you had asked yours, then.

===

I guess, I'll do a quick lookback at your questions...

I'm reading now, and I see that some of your questions earlier were "what would you do if

X

happened?" About my playstyle, skill, and how I would handle the RVS stage and everyone joking. I viewed these questions as, more of a distraction, that didn't really have much use in helping find mafia.

I then, as I've posted earlier, only answered questions, questioning my theory on certain people who might be scum. Now

those

were somewhat better questions that could help decide if those people were or were not mafia.

Then you explained, later, that you were really just using these questions to get reads on everyone you were asking the questions to. Which, again, was a very resonable answer. I believed you.

===

Now I'm starting to see things a bit differently again. Your question of "What questions I would ask" was another question that doesn't help contribute in searching for mafia, which I ended up, answering anyway, just for the sake of it, which I answered honestly as I could. I thought, it would be the end of that, but apparently not. Instead I get FoS'd for it. In retrospect, it looks that it may have been a set-up, designed to twist any answer I would have given to make me look scummy. Or if not, (I'm basing this off of patterns I'm seeing in your interactions with me and other people) more questions would be asked, about the answers, leading on a never-ending back and forth question/answer debate, leading to nowhere, or until someone makes a mistake of saying something, that you could use against them.

Trying to get reads on people with a few decent questions is one thing, but sending a never ending barrage of questions to people (It's kind of difficult for someone, not to focus their attention on you when you keep doing this), some even if answered don't contribute much to the game, is another thing. It makes it look like you aren't really trying to get reads on people, but are really trying to bait people with nonstop questions, until someone bites, and they finally respond to one of the questions in a way, that can be used to make those look like mafia.

Maybe, I should have never taken the bait, it taste like scum.

[Kdub]

Vote Count

CrueKnight (2)

- CrueKnight, SolemnJ

Furry (3)

- J-Fox, Torqez, malpascp

cruelty (0)

-

YamiJoey (0)

-

Scott Brosius (1)

- cruelty

Mr. Squirrel (1)

- Wickedestjr

Wickedestjr (1)

- Mr. Squirrel

malpascp (0)

-

J-Fox (0)

-

SolemnJ (2)

- Furry, Scott Brosius

DeathNote (0)

-

Torqez (0)

-

VistaSoldier (0)

-

Katniss (0)

-

Haylen (1)

- Haylen

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (4)

- YamiJoey, DeathNote, VistaSoldier, Katniss

15 players alive, 8 votes needed to lynch.

DeathNote and VistaSoldier have been prodded.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Also please respond to post 128,

unless you know I'm right.

Baiting? Come on. My vote on you before was very flimsy and I feel that I would have had no problem changing it, but the way you reacted to it leads me to believe that you may in fact be scum. However, you did say please so I feel it would be rude to not answer.

Haven't I been pointing out the things I think are scummy? What is wrong with those things I pointed out? I don't think the questions are distracting, and I don't think they are bad either. Please tell me a good question you would have asked at the time, or tell me some scummy actions that the town missed because of my questions.

You know what? I wouldn't have asked any questions at the time. Know why? Because they don't get you out of the RVS. Accusations do. Just throwing out questions (especially ones as shallow as yours) leads to one sentence answers that are easily buried within the pile of random votes and are forgotten for the rest of the game.

And I don't believe a majority of your gameplay has been pointing out scummy things. You might have commented on a few, but mainly you have been focusing on these questions that you say are helpful to the game. However these questions help scum just as much as they help town. Asking questions like "who do you think is scummier out of X & Y" are pointless unless the alignment of those two people are currently in question. At the current time, all it does is give scum an early indication of what people's impressions are in the game.

Plus, it just makes you look stupid and detracts from any credibility I give your posts in the future.

I think you are over-exaggerating this.

Nope. Not at all.

Okay. I can see why you didn't respond to the question, but I don't see how anything bad would have happened if you had answered it.

See my post before this.

Me asking those questions resulted in you criticizing them. This followed with me and you arguing about it, followed by you giving me a serious vote. Now we have gotten serious. So I believe it was because of my questions. Also, I recently finished a game where I asked a question that you'd probably call "bad" that started the discussion. I can link you to it if you want.

Also, I find it funny how you complain about how bad my questions are and how they don't help to get us out of the RVS, yet you aren't even helping to get us out of the RVS.

Actually, by calling you out on your questions, I believe I did more to end the RVS than you did. All you did to 'help' was look scummy.

Also, I find it funny how you complained about my questions possibly distracting people from scummy things that other people do, yet have focused your whole attention on me, so you obviously aren't concerned about what other people are doing.

Right now, no one else in game is giving off the same scum read that you are. For now, I will focus my efforts on you.

For those two things I'm going to Unvote Vote: Mr. Squirrel.

OMGUS

Well MS basically could of said "It was a question that regardless of an answer would not contribute to the game, and at worst will create WIFOM. That makes it a useless to scummy thing to do so I am voting him for that reason".

That said, I basically agree with him up untill the voting part. If there was a push to use answers to these questions as tells later, then yes, its scummy. Untill then its just annoying and a better course of action is to push him to scumhunt.

Yea, sorry about the long-winded sarcastic answer. I was completely wasted when I got home last night. That said, I do agree with everything that I posted at the time.

-Makes a case that consists of what I could do, instead of what I have done.

If you saw someone with lots of lumber, nails, shingles, tiles, etc. wouldn't you say that they were preparing to build a house? Why then can't I make the assumption that when you have made all the preparations to frame other players that you are indeed intending to do so? Personally, I'd rather catch you before you frame another player rather than after you do so.

[DeathNote]

Here... don't like wall posts.

[VistaSoldier]

Sorry, I'm back. Was away for like 2 days.
Anyway.

Vote:wicked

He seems to be talking really suss and defending himself.

[cruelty]

Bleh. That was an uninteresting read. I hate the early game.

I find you questionable WJ, I'd vote you but I'm uneasy about pushing a wagon this early. So you just get

FoS

ed. Also your enormous posts with heaps of empty space are very irritating to scroll through for very little content. More conciseness please.

Squirrel your post 146 is strange. Not going to read into it, but noted for future reference.

vote: Haylen

. Bunch of useless posts, no content whatsoever.


I don't feel particularly compelled to comment on anyone else right now, I have a couple ideas cooking but I'll hold off for a bit, not really convinced of their validity yet.

[VistaSoldier]

Actually, I'm leaning towards a few other people now.
My vote will stand for now.
But I have my eye on SolemnJ.

[Haylen]

vote: Haylen. Bunch of useless posts, no content whatsoever.

Umm...the game has barely started.

[Kdub]

malpascp and J-Fox have been prodded.

[Wickedestjr]

Hm.

I am still leaning a little bit on wickedestjr

, but he has responded very reasonably in defending his actions.

To answer his question, I probably couldn't think of a question right off the bat, so no

.

FoS: Katniss

What are your reasons for finding me suspcious still then? Earlier you said it was because you didn't like the questions I was asking, yet, now you say you couldn't think of any better questions for me to have asked.

*sigh*

Yes,

earlier

I said I didnt like your questions, but that changed

later

. It was

later

that you gave good responses as to why you had made those questions, and I ended up thinking they were very reasonable, so looking back on it I figured that I may have been wrong about you

earlier

and as a result, I unvoted you, and thought of you as less suspicious. That 'little bit' part of my post was basically just my gut left over suspicions of you. As I said, it was only a 'little bit', so I wasn't feeling very strong in my suspicion against you.

Now I answer your question, and you twist it around to make me look scummy. To explain myself, I couldn't think of a question right off the bat, as in right now, because it's difficult to think of a question, when you aren't "in the moment" at the time, you had asked yours, then.

===

I guess, I'll do a quick lookback at your questions...

I'm reading now, and I see that some of your questions earlier were "what would you do if

X

happened?" About my playstyle, skill, and how I would handle the RVS stage and everyone joking. I viewed these questions as, more of a distraction, that didn't really have much use in helping find mafia.

I then, as I've posted earlier, only answered questions, questioning my theory on certain people who might be scum. Now

those

were somewhat better questions that could help decide if those people were or were not mafia.

Then you explained, later, that you were really just using these questions to get reads on everyone you were asking the questions to. Which, again, was a very resonable answer. I believed you.

===

Fair enough.

Now I'm starting to see things a bit differently again. Your question of "What questions I would ask" was another question that doesn't help contribute in searching for mafia, which I ended up, answering anyway, just for the sake of it, which I answered honestly as I could. I thought, it would be the end of that, but apparently not. Instead I get FoS'd for it. In retrospect, it looks that it may have been a set-up, designed to twist any answer I would have given to make me look scummy. Or if not, (I'm basing this off of patterns I'm seeing in your interactions with me and other people) more questions would be asked, about the answers, leading on a never-ending back and forth question/answer debate, leading to nowhere, or until someone makes a mistake of saying something, that you could use against them.

Trying to get reads on people with a few decent questions is one thing, but sending a never ending barrage of questions to people (It's kind of difficult for someone, not to focus their attention on you when you keep doing this), some even if answered don't contribute much to the game, is another thing. It makes it look like you aren't really trying to get reads on people, but are really trying to bait people with nonstop questions, until someone bites, and they finally respond to one of the questions in a way, that can be used to make those look like mafia.

I intended to stop asking so many questions once we were out of the RVS, and I doubt that the game would go on with me and another player arguing over something hardly relevant to the game. Also, even though I wasn't intending to twist people's answers, what would be wrong with that?

Katniss, now that you understand my responses and like them, what do you think of Mr. Squirrel still keeping his vote on me?

G2g, I'm sorry I didn't get to finish catching up. I should have enough time tomorrow.

[cruelty]

Umm...the game has barely started.

So?

[Haylen]

Well, there's not really much to post about when the game starts is there?

[Torqez]

malpascp and J-Fox have been prodded.

Mod: Does YamiJoey need to be prodded too? I just replaced him in another game and considering he's only just posted once (his confirmation post) in this thread, maybe it needs looking into?

I prodded him a couple days ago. He has less than 24 hours to post before I look for a replacement as per the rules.

[Haylen]

I had to get a replacement for her aswell actually.

[Torqez]

her* then

[malpascp]

Just checkin in

[CrueKnight]

Hey guys, sorry I'm, usually inactive during weekends.
I see we're getting a little more serious.

Unvote;
Vote: SolemnJ

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

I will like to see his response to Scott's:

I never said you were a SK. Guilty conscience?

[VistaSoldier]

Hey guys, sorry I'm, usually inactive during weekends.
I see we're getting a little more serious.

Unvote;
Vote: SolemnJ

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

I will like to see his response to Scott's:

I never said you were a SK. Guilty conscience?

Lol, there's still two people voting themselves, doesnt seem too serious to me.

[cruelty]

Well, there's not really much to post about when the game starts is there?

You have posted literally nothing of note. Out of 28 (24 during the actual game) posts in the thread, there's been literally no game-relevant content from you.

[Haylen]

Lies.

I had a discussion with Wicked about the RVS, which counts as game relevent, and then I did a bit of ridiculous scumhunting too. I'm also right in the middle of a discussion with you about my ''non-participation''. Stop trying to go for an easy lynch >=(

[SolemnJ]

Hey guys, sorry I'm, usually inactive during weekends.
I see we're getting a little more serious.

Unvote;
Vote: SolemnJ

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

I will like to see his response to Scott's:

I never said you were a SK. Guilty conscience?

uhh....yes, you/he implied it at least.

Your reason for voting me is bull, I repeat. /maintains vote.

[Kdub]

WarWound replaces YamiJoey.

Vote Count

CrueKnight (1)

- SolemnJ

Furry (3)

- J-Fox, Torqez, malpascp

cruelty (0)

-

WarWound (0)

-

Scott Brosius (0)

-

Mr. Squirrel (1)

- Wickedestjr

Wickedestjr (2)

- Mr. Squirrel, VistaSoldier

malpascp (0)

-

J-Fox (0)

-

SolemnJ (3)

- Furry, Scott Brosius, CrueKnight

DeathNote (0)

-

Torqez (0)

-

VistaSoldier (0)

-

Katniss (0)

-

Haylen (2)

- Haylen, cruelty

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (3)

- WarWound, DeathNote, Katniss

15 players alive, 8 votes needed to lynch.

[CrueKnight]

Hey guys, sorry I'm, usually inactive during weekends.
I see we're getting a little more serious.

Unvote;
Vote: SolemnJ

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

I will like to see his response to Scott's:

I never said you were a SK. Guilty conscience?

uhh....yes, you/he implied it at least.

Your reason for voting me is bull, I repeat. /maintains vote.

I'm just voting for pressure. I do not have any intentions to lynch you.
So can you quote it? We can then look from there.

[Wickedestjr]

Also please respond to post 128,

unless you know I'm right.

Baiting? Come on. My vote on you before was very flimsy and I feel that I would have had no problem changing it, but the way you reacted to it leads me to believe that you may in fact be scum. However, you did say please so I feel it would be rude to not answer.

So now one of the main reasons you are keeping my vote is because of that comment? I see no problem with adding that comment, because you should respond to all of my posts directed at you, unless you agree with me.

You know what? I wouldn't have asked any questions at the time. Know why? Because they don't get you out of the RVS. Accusations do. Just throwing out questions (especially ones as shallow as yours) leads to one sentence answers that are easily buried within the pile of random votes and are forgotten for the rest of the game.

So would you have been fine if I had asked better questions? Or do you just find me suspicious for asking any questions at all? And also, you say my questions are "shallow". Please give me some examples of better questions.

And I don't believe a majority of your gameplay has been pointing out scummy things.

You might have commented on a few,

but mainly you have been focusing on these questions that you say are helpful to the game. However these questions help scum just as much as they help town. Asking questions like "who do you think is scummier out of X & Y" are pointless unless the alignment of those two people are currently in question. At the current time, all it does is give scum an early indication of what people's impressions are in the game.

A few suspicious things is enough to comment on, because first of all, those few things were all the things I noticed, and also, how many scummy things are going to occur in the RVS?

Plus, it just makes you look stupid and detracts from any credibility I give your posts in the future.

I think you are over-exaggerating this.

Nope. Not at all.

Okay, then to what extent would my questions detract from any credibility you gave my posts? Please elaborate on that.

Okay. I can see why you didn't respond to the question, but I don't see how anything bad would have happened if you had answered it.

See my post before this.

I did. It was a terrible post.

Me asking those questions resulted in you criticizing them. This followed with me and you arguing about it, followed by you giving me a serious vote. Now we have gotten serious. So I believe it was because of my questions. Also, I recently finished a game where I asked a question that you'd probably call "bad" that started the discussion. I can link you to it if you want.

Also, I find it funny how you complain about how bad my questions are and how they don't help to get us out of the RVS, yet you aren't even helping to get us out of the RVS.

Actually, by calling you out on your questions, I believe I did more to end the RVS than you did. All you did to 'help' was look scummy.

We wouldn't have gotten out of the RVS as quick if I hadn't helped to get us out of the RVS.So I find it scummy how you try to give me zero credit. Also, you didn't respond to the bolded portion.

Also, I find it funny how you complained about my questions possibly distracting people from scummy things that other people do, yet have focused your whole attention on me, so you obviously aren't concerned about what other people are doing.

Right now, no one else in game is giving off the same scum read that you are. For now, I will focus my efforts on you.

Just because I'm supposedly super scummy, that doesn't mean nobody else hasn't done anything scummy. So this is not a good excuse.

For those two things I'm going to Unvote Vote: Mr. Squirrel.

OMGUS

Nope. Not OMGUS. I gave reasons.

-Makes a case that consists of what I could do, instead of what I have done.

If you saw someone with lots of lumber, nails, shingles, tiles, etc. wouldn't you say that they were preparing to build a house? Why then can't I make the assumption that when you have made all the preparations to frame other players that you are indeed intending to do so? Personally, I'd rather catch you before you frame another player rather than after you do so.

But my question for you wasn't intended to "frame" you. Even if I had, it is not like anybody would be stupid enough to agree with me. You could simply bring up your defense. Also I like how you use the word "frame", because the worst thing I could do is badly accuse you, which is not framing.

If you had said that you are good at scumhunting, and I attacked you for getting something wrong, that would not be framing you.

If you had said that you are not good at scum hunting, and I attacked you for keeping my expectations low, that would not be framing you.

This is because framing includes lying about something to persuade people to think another person is scum. However, I wouldn't be lying if I said "he said he's good at scumhunting yet he was just wrong about something. He's scum" or if I said "he said he's bad at scumhunting, so he's trying to keep our expectations low. He's scum", because while both are assumptions, they both revolve around true occurences, which wouldn't be lying about anything. It would just be a bad attack.