Mini 858 - Dexter Season One (Game Over)

[SocioPath]

Unvote

So be it.
I just reeeeally didn't like his posts.


I have received no messages.

The only thing I notice about the 2 lynched wagons thats substantial was there were 3 people the same on both wagons, with me being the fourth on the second.
This seems like I'm the variable at least for the second one.
It seems odd that if Almaster had the 'ability' to be lynched with one fewer votes, that he would have spoke up. So that is easily ruled out.

This appears to mean either one of two things: I am somehow a double voter unbeknownst to me. Which makes zero sense with Gimpy McGee. (Tony is the amputated security guard that was accused of being the Ice Truck Killer.)
Or one of the three others has a voting condition similar as to Jebus is describing.

It is still also unknown if Konowa needed more than majority +1, and someone on the wagon was a double voter of sorts.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have received no messages.

[chamber]

I'm James Doakes, my innocent is on sotty as I suggested already. Also, something I didn't claim about my role earlier: Under some condition(which I don't know) when I cop I can lose my temper and kill the person instead, but this hasn't happened.

Unvote

while I consider sottys claim.

[Budja]

third result?

[chamber]

third result?

There have only been 2 nights...

[Juls]

Vote Count

Budja

( )

chamber

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

Budja, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Jebus, Sociopath, Sotty7, chamber

Deadline :

November 24, 7:00p.m. Central

Notes:

None.

[Budja]

sorry, that was stupid .

[Sotty7]

I'm James Doakes, my innocent is on sotty as I suggested already. Also, something I didn't claim about my role earlier: Under some condition(which I don't know) when I cop I can lose my temper and kill the person instead, but this hasn't happened.

Unvote

while I consider sottys claim.

Yeah, now I am pretty confused. Jebus claiming Angel seems a pretty bizarre move for town or scum at this point. My thought process is why would Konowa claim such a high profile character if it wasn't a fake claim? Jebus also claiming Angel doesn't seem like something a scum would do. I am torn. But he claims to have a more powerful vote, I am actually a double voter. I basically have both mine and Harry's vote, Don's vote counted for nothing. This should clear up what happened with the two wagons.

As for the notes, I have received one on each night now and they had nothing to do with my actual role. The first made me laugh actually and basically told me that Dexter killed sotty and that he will kill again. Obviously Dexter couldn't have killed me since I am Dexter. Also I didn't die, this makes me think Don died in my place instead. The thing about this note is why would someone send

me

this if I was the person who was to die? Pretty confusing all round.

The one I got last night was basically that my sister tells me chamber is innocent. So yeah, do I trust this second note considering the first was just an all out lie? If chamber is innocent and Jebus is in fact town like my code might suggest then what? My role is pretty powerful so I have to believe that scum have some abilities to counter all this, but I am starting to think we need to lynch Jebus and see where that gets us.

[chamber]

@sotty Were you specifically told your kill would fail on town, or is there more to the code?

[Sotty7]

The code doesn't talk about scum or town in any way. Just people who meet Harry's code and those who don't.

[chamber]

The code doesn't talk about scum or town in any way. Just people who meet Harry's code and those who don't.

In story character, or does it consider the actions of the player in game?

[Sotty7]

The code isn't explained to me in my PM. Just that I can only kill if the player meets the code. Not sure if it was explained in Don's PM, we never spoke about it. Probably should have thinking about it, but being a Dexter fan I figured the code would work like it does on the show. In that Dexter can only kill the bad guys.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fact: We have a vig who claims not to have a succesful kill N1.
Fact: We have two kills N1.
Flavor Fact: There is a prominent serial killer (ITK) in the first season of Dexter.
Flavor Fact: This serial killer attemptes to communicate with Dexter in a variety of fashions.
Fact: Our Dexter-vig is claiming to recieve messages at night from an unknown source.
Logical Conclusion: ITK is in the game as a serial killer and can send messages to Dexter.

Sotty can you/have you asked the mod if you can quote the communiques that you have received?
~~~

Multiple things are bothering me about chamber's claim. Sotty's role effectively functions as a vig/cop making it extremely powerful, to also include another cop seems overpowered. Also, while Doakes has a temper he's a good cop and him murdering a suspect even a guilty one doesn't seem to fit the character either. Furthermore, if there were going to be any twists the role of Doakes you'd expect them to revolve around Dexter.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Forgot to finish that thought: but chamber claims to have targeted our claimed Dexter and nothing special happened.

[chamber]

I'm Dexter and my role is pretty complicated, but I am basically a vig. I killed Locke last night. Did not kill night one.

I'm not sure if it is the best idea to reveal my whole role, but if that's what the town wants then I will. I will say that I was linked with Don which is why he could safely claim Dexter and no one counter. Part of my role was day masons with him

Wow, that confuses me a bit

. Anyway, no need to claim any more *winkwink*.

I also assumed it was Dexter who I'd kill if I investigated him.

[Sotty7]

Sotty can you/have you asked the mod if you can quote the communiques that you have received?

Just sent a PM to Juls to ask.

I'm Dexter and my role is pretty complicated, but I am basically a vig. I killed Locke last night. Did not kill night one.

I'm not sure if it is the best idea to reveal my whole role, but if that's what the town wants then I will. I will say that I was linked with Don which is why he could safely claim Dexter and no one counter. Part of my role was day masons with him

Wow, that confuses me a bit

. Anyway, no need to claim any more *winkwink*.

I also assumed it was Dexter who I'd kill if I investigated him.

I would have thought Doakes would find Dexter guilty.

[Sotty7]

Nope, can't quote the messages as it is technically a mod PM. As per the rules I am allowed to paraphrase, which I pretty much did up in post 632

[chamber]

I'm Dexter and my role is pretty complicated, but I am basically a vig. I killed Locke last night. Did not kill night one.

I'm not sure if it is the best idea to reveal my whole role, but if that's what the town wants then I will. I will say that I was linked with Don which is why he could safely claim Dexter and no one counter. Part of my role was day masons with him

Wow, that confuses me a bit

. Anyway, no need to claim any more *winkwink*.

I also assumed it was Dexter who I'd kill if I investigated him.

I would have thought Doakes would find Dexter guilty.

Unwarned flavour based sanity issues would be just as bastard as putting a random sanity cop into games. I choose to believe that no mod would ever do either in a non-bastard game.

[Budja]

I agree with DDD.

We have at least two scum, almost certainly SK and mafia, left.
If we mis-lynch today, we could reach a prisoners dilemma at worst (baring special mechanics).

vote Jebus

Best target IMO.

[Jebus]

Fixed list:

Budja (Niel Perry, Miller)
DDD (Rita Bennet, Vanilla)
chamber (James Doakes, cop)
Sociopath (Tony Tucci, Vanilla)
Sotty7 (Dexter, Restricted Vigilante)
Jebus (Angel Batista, doublevoter)

My next bit is based on these tidbits:
-I know myself to be town aligned. (Fact)
-Dexter (Sotty) is town aligned. (Assumption)
-chamber is town aligned. (Assumption)
-chamber is telling the truth about his actions. (Assumption)
-We had two people killed N1. (Fact)
-We had two people killed N2. (Fact)
-Sotty couldn't kill N1. (Assumption)
-Sotty did kill N2. (Assumption)
-Jorge and Dr. Emmeret are part of one scumteam. (Assumption)
-The rule DEX-3 exists.

DEX-3) Vote counts will list the names of players voting for a particular player. A pre-determined condition for "arrest" has been decided upon. Because of this, votes should be placed with care. You have been warned.

(Fact)
-The rule DEX-3 is a real rule. (Assumption)


First, on the killing discrepancy:
-Everyone is telling the truth, there is an SK (Ice Truck Killer)
-Either the mafia (human traffikers) or the ITK did not kill N2.
-The mafia (human traffikers) could not kill N2 because LL was their last player.
-Sotty is not telling the truth about her actions.

I'm leaning towards the first two being correct - which would imply a third human traffiker (maybe Valerie?). At the same time, the third is also plausible. As for the last, while the possibility exists, I see no reason for Sotty not to tell the truth.


Second is on the chamber's results discrepancy.
-chamber is telling the truth - this means there's a Framer or something.
-chamber is telling the truth, but has sanity issues - naivety is most likely.
-chamber is not telling the truth, but is still town.
-chamber is not telling the truth and is scum.

I lean towards option one or two - three seems somewhat unlikely, and four seems very unlikely at this point.


Third is the number of votes to lynch. I'm believing that Dex-3 doesn't have much to do with voting roles, and more towards the idea that each person has a set of conditions on how they get lynched, as the rule suggests. Eg, this person is lynched if person A and B are on their wagon, or this person automatically takes one more/less vote to lynch. Something like that.

I agree with DDD.

We have at least two scum, almost certainly SK and mafia, left.
If we mis-lynch today, we could reach a prisoners dilemma at worst (baring special mechanics).

vote Jebus

Best target IMO.

I disagree that this is a good move. I have a voting ability. So does Sotty. If we do have 2 scum left in 6 players (which I don't find unlikely), I think it'd be best if we kept the number of votes in the town higher - what causes people to be endgamed isn't the number of people, it's the number of votes.

On that note, I think it'd be a good idea to rule out Sotty, chamber, and myself for today's lynch. In addition, I find budja to be town, and as a D1-claimed miller, he fits the bill well. That leaves our Vanilla townies, DDD and Socio. I'm cool with lynching either of them.

[SocioPath]

The reason I voted for Jebus was this (which he disappeared for) :

I did not counterclaim Konowa (or hammer him) because I wasn't online at the time to see that - though, I probably wouldn't have counterclaimed anyways because he was inevitably going to get lynched.

He says he wasn't online.

In light of what I have already said about my vote, everyone who is calling my vote bad/terrible/etc., explain why. Moreso, why is my vote worse than DDD's?

I am Angel Batista.

That is when Konowa claimed.

Jorge Castillo (Konowa), Mafia arrested Day 1

That is the lynch scene when the thread was locked.
26 hours later.

Jebus Forum: Queue Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:36 pm

A post was made between those 2 times.
Hard to make a post if your are offline.
Also posted on Sunday. Not in our game though.
Also posted after the lynch scene on Tuesday elsewhere.
Last Dexter post was on Saturday.
But Jebus was around on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday...

Certainly around long enough to skim a game he is in which he knew was heating up. Since he posted in it on that Saturday.
Especially looking at the main guy being bandwagoned.
Like a post of his that said almost exclusively "I am Angel Batista."

[Jebus]

I wasn't on long enough to make any real post, I mean - sure I was elsewhere, but my time online on those days totals ten minutes, at the most :/

[Budja]

You are still the best lynch.
Your lynch simply gives the most information and I think you are scum. The Angel claim makes me more certain and Socio makes a great point above.

@Sotty, maybe for the code to be satisfied, the player must have performed a kill in the game. (possible solution to the Jebus discrepancy but pure speculation).

@Sotty, have you kept your extra vote after don's death?

[SocioPath]

Sotty's doublevote claim would also explain the Konowa lynch as well.

He didn't take 'extra' to lynch, its just that don's vote didn't count.

And the double voting lead to an early end to the Day2.

I'm just confused that 2 lynches were made with confusion running abound as neither made sense, that Sotty sat on that information for as long as she did.
Although it did preserve her role I suppose.

[Budja]

If we lynch Jebus, as I would like. Sotty should drop the hammer at L-2.