Newbie 864 - Game Over.

[Col.Cathart]

I disagree, Ray.

RVS essentially ended with post 31, with me questioning the wisdom of the sweep bandwagon (also demonstrating an inability to add).

You continued with your random bandwagon on macrosh after that.

A little more on the scummy side, Mr. Frost.

Sooooooooo... your small question was the "end" of the RVS, then?

I guess we'll have to merely disagree, then.

Do you really think, this is relevant, who actually ended the RVS stage?

[RayFrost]

Do you really think, this is relevant, who actually ended the RVS stage?

He made it relevant by making it a point against me.

I'm taking him seriously.

[Col.Cathart]

He made it relevant by making it a point against me.

I'm taking him seriously.

Wait, let me try to get your point - You're thinking that you were the one who ended the RVS, and Bach is ??? (<--- this is the point I don't get) for suggesting otherwise?

Care to elaborate your case here?

[Zorblag]

Vote Count 1.3

The numbers by the voters indicate the order in which the vote was cast. If two or more players are tied for the most votes to lynch at the deadline the tiebreaker will be the player who has the earliest active vote.

RayFrost: 3: Selecao (10), Bach (11), Sweep (13)
marcosh: 2: RayFrost(8), Col.Cathart (12)
Sweep: 1: marcosh (3)
Pablo Molinero: 1: Drizzt (7)

Not Voting: Parts, Pablo Molinero

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently RayFrost would be lynched at Deadline. Deadline is 4:00 PM EST/1:00 PM PST on Tuesday, November 24th.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[RayFrost]

He made it relevant by making it a point against me.

I'm taking him seriously.

Wait, let me try to get your point - You're thinking that you were the one who ended the RVS, and Bach is ??? (<--- this is the point I don't get) for suggesting otherwise?

Care to elaborate your case here?

I'm thinking I contributed to spurring discussion, and Bach is wrong and not realizing it / stretching to make a case on me.

I don't actually think Bach is scummy as of yet, I am merely pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in his case (thus, defending myself).

[Bach]

I'm thinking I contributed to spurring discussion, and Bach is wrong and not realizing it / stretching to make a case on me.

You have definitely helped in spurring the discussion. It's been mostly you and me the past couple days. I both realize and appreciate your level of activity - but that's not the sole reason I've been hounding you.

Not sure I'm stretching anything, Ray. Really - I've called you 'slightly scummy.' Are you a bit worried about my line of questioning?

I don't actually think Bach is scummy as of yet, I am merely pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in his case (thus, defending myself).

You have expended a lot of time defending yourself. I think it's pretty clear I don't have much on you. Your logic is a bit flawed in spots, but could be as much from a poor choice of words as anything else. You've been using humor, but I can't very well peg you as scum wholly on that. Really, I don't have much of a case. We can both agree on that.

So, then: if I don't have much of a case on you, why have you spent every single one of your posts for the past two plus days defending yourself? Shouldn't you be out scum hunting?

[RayFrost]

So, then: if I don't have much of a case on you, why have you spent every single one of your posts for the past two plus days defending yourself? Shouldn't you be out scum hunting?

Not enough posts by others to really try scum hunting with. Thus, I focus on defending myself, which makes sure this topic is, in essence, bumped repeatedly in their watched topics list, ensuring they will, eventually, post.

That said...

Everybody other than Bach:

I would appreciate it if you gave input as to your opinions on the exchange between Bach and myself.

I would also appreciate it if you did not take your sweet time about contributing.

Also,

Zorby: would you mind prodding the unposters?

[Parts]

I don't think Ray is scummy right now, it looks to me like Ray was trying to spur more discussion after Col Cathart abandoned his wagon and stalled any discussion about it.

I think Bach has jumped on Ray because it's really the only thing to go on right now in terms of scum hunting. I disagree with him that what Ray did was scummy though.

I agree with Ray that we need input from some other people even though I haven't been as active as I should have. I look to remedy that starting right now.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: Pablo Molinero

I probably failed the spelling.

Get in here and post! You, of all people, should know that it is important!

[Col.Cathart]

Pablo wrote earlier, that he's going to be away for the weekend.

I would appreciate it if you gave input as to your opinions on the exchange between Bach and myself.

I would also appreciate it if you did not take your sweet time about contributing.

Null tell on both sides. Discussion about who ended the RVS stage is IMO pointless anyway, as it's not even a strong town-tell, so there's nothing to fight for here.

That said, I'm not buying Ray's explanation about his defensiveness. True, some people are definitely too silent, and they should post like right now, but don't tell me there's absolutely nothing to look for. For example what do you think about my vote on Marcosh? This vote is 100% serious.

[RayFrost]

Pablo wrote earlier, that he's going to be away for the weekend.

I would appreciate it if you gave input as to your opinions on the exchange between Bach and myself.

I would also appreciate it if you did not take your sweet time about contributing.

Null tell on both sides. Discussion about who ended the RVS stage is IMO pointless anyway, as it's not even a strong town-tell, so there's nothing to fight for here.

That said, I'm not buying Ray's explanation about his defensiveness. True, some people are definitely too silent, and they should post like right now, but don't tell me there's absolutely nothing to look for. For example what do you think about my vote on Marcosh? This vote is 100% serious.

I believe it's decent enough reasoning. About as good as one could expect in Pg4.

Tbh, I didn't epect marcosh's reaction... I'm gonna brb to determine if I want my vote back on him (meta ftw)

unvote

didn't remember pablo's thing about V/LA.

[RayFrost]

Too early to tell for Marcosh.

vote: drizzt

Provide maor content

[Sweep]

I would also like to hear more from Marcosh and other people.

I would also have to agree that I think the transition between RVS and normal play is irrelevant due to the insignificance of RVS.

Ray is such an obvious target currently due to his activity and prominence in the game, I still think he is slightly scummy but at this stage he is the only one who has said anything.

So,

Unvote

and let's hear what other people have to say.

[RayFrost]

I would also like to hear more from Marcosh and other people.

I would also have to agree that I think the transition between RVS and normal play is irrelevant due to the insignificance of RVS.

Ray is such an obvious target currently due to his activity and prominence in the game, I still think he is slightly scummy but at this stage he is the only one who has said anything.

So,

Unvote

and let's hear what other people have to say.

I'd say I'm a less obvious target, as it means I'm more likely to defend myself, but eh

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: Prodding Drizzt.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Sweep]

How are you a less obvious target, you post after every single post and the sheer volume you post is going to make you an easy person to go after.

[marcosh]

Apologies for my absence, I'm struggling with a few r/l issues and have somehow ended up covering two full time jobs in my office. I'm unsure when this situation will get resolved, so...

@Mod - Can you please replace me?

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: I'm now looking for a replacment for marcosh.

Thanks for letting us know rather than just disappearing. Good luck with the RL situation.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Mod Note: imkingdavid replaces marcosh.

Thank you, imkingdavid!

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[imkingdavid]

@Zorblag: You're welcome.

@all: Hey guys. And hello again Col.C and Pablo, and anyone else I have played with for any amount of time.

Give me some time to read through the four pages and post a proper intro post with my thoughts and all.

[Bach]

Ray's response in post 81 is a good enough answer for me to unvote him. We have been the only two who have been very active, so I can't very well criticize him for not going after anyone else.

He IS getting downgraded to FoS status; he was quite defensive even before I started on him - even preemptively so. I could still come back to him.

Unvote
FoS: Ray Frost

I'm waiting for more people to post. I may have another vote soon. Nice to see some convo again.

[Col.Cathart]

Hello IKD. Glad to see you again.

Bach: Why the unvote without voting anyone else? Little pressure is still better that none at all IMO. You cannot generate any heat (which leads us to more discussion. more discussions = good for town) without voting on anyone.

[RayFrost]

@Zorblag: You're welcome.

@all: Hey guys. And hello again Col.C and Pablo, and anyone else I have played with for any amount of time.

Give me some time to read through the four pages and post a proper intro post with my thoughts and all.

I replaced you in that one game where PP voted me/you in lylo and scum quicklynched before I got to say anything useful. Does that count?

[RayFrost]

I would also like to hear more from Marcosh and other people.

I would also have to agree that I think the transition between RVS and normal play is irrelevant due to the insignificance of RVS.

Ray is such an obvious target currently due to his activity and prominence in the game, I still think he is slightly scummy but at this stage he is the only one who has said anything.

So,

Unvote

and let's hear what other people have to say.

So, wait... you unvoted me just cuz it was out of the RVS, basically?

I, personally, would like to hear the following from you:

1. your read on the exchange between bach and myself

2. your opinions regarding the people that have not posted so far

3. your opinions of bach, myself, and Col. C

[Parts]

I don't like Sweep's response to Bach and Ray's argument. He says that he finds Ray slightly scummy and calls him an obvious target but unvotes him anyway. I'd like a bit more explanation about the unvote.

Vote: Sweep