Mini 876 - Tree Stump II [Day None] (Abandoned)

[saberwolf]

meh, this game has actually been pretty boring, and I've just been not really paying attention to it. It's a lot of talk over unimportant details and no real scumhunting going on, and other than the same two or three people arguing, nothing is really going on, so I don't feel as compelled to contribute.

[The Fonz]

That's BS.

I'd agree that there's talk over unimportant details- but that's how things get started, you know this. You pick on minor things, and conversation builds up, then bigger things develop. I think you're completely wrong that there's no scumhunting, and in any case, if there weren't, wouldn't you try to provide it if you're town? Physician, heal thyself!

[saberwolf]

That's BS.

I'd agree that there's talk over unimportant details- but that's how things get started, you know this. You pick on minor things, and conversation builds up, then bigger things develop. I think you're completely wrong that there's no scumhunting, and in any case, if there weren't, wouldn't you try to provide it if you're town? Physician, heal thyself!

once again, I have almost no interest at all in this game.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: SW

[Tjoe Min Ja]

LOL, SW ASK FOR REPLACEMENT THEN!

[Quagmire]

Unvote

Vote: SW

What's really the purpose of this vote?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: SW

What's really the purpose of this vote?

To put SW one vote closer to lynch.

[Quagmire]

I suppose the question I wanted to ask was, "why do you want to lynch SW?"

[saberwolf]

lol I would consider a replacement, but I promised sens that I would play his game.

Why not lynch me though quag? we could say that about anyone. In the end, we all have to agree on somebody and hope that the odds were in our favour. I don't mind a BW on mw tbh, cause at least then it will drag me into the game and make me more involved.

[Empking]

I suppose the question I wanted to ask was, "why do you want to lynch SW?"

I think he's lying.

[Sudo_Nym]

unvote, vote: saberwolf

Mostly out of annoyance, but he's clearly being anti-town at the moment. Let's see if starting a bandwagon will interest him in the game, like he says.

[Quagmire]

unvote, vote: saberwolf

Mostly out of annoyance, but he's clearly being anti-town at the moment. Let's see if starting a bandwagon will interest him in the game, like he says.

This is a stupid vote. Anti-town is not scum. Apathy is not a scumtell. Stop voting for him.

[The Fonz]

If lots of people do lots of antitown things, the town loses. The only effective sanction town has to stop people being antitown is the threat of lynch.

[Quagmire]

If lots of people do lots of antitown things, the town loses. The only effective sanction town has to stop people being antitown is the threat of lynch.

That's total bullshit. You vote people because they're scummy, not because they're anti-town. You're promoting the idea that we should lynch townies or scum on the sole basis of acting strictly against how the town

should

act. To use a baseball analogy, it's like saying the pitcher should throw a curveball on a 2-2 count every time because that's what the pitcher should throw in that situation. Batters will be able to adjust to this.

[The Fonz]

No, THAT's bullshit. Things that are antitown, by definition, hurt the town's chances of winning the game. If town people do scum-favouring things, scum players will be able to get away with advancing their win condition more blatantly. The only way you can stop people doing antitown things is to threaten them with lynch if they don't stop doing them.

Your analogy is bollocks, because throwing a fastball on a 2-2 count is a valid strategy for getting the batter out. It might not be the best choice, but the pitcher is still trying to get the hitter out and not give him the base. Town players acting antitown is the equivalent of intentionally walking the pitcher with the bases loaded.

[Shanba]

Will threatening people with a lynch actually force them to mend their ways? Maybe people who could actually be reasoned with in the first place. I'm not a fan of handing scum free lynches every game because we have one or two players with a bad habit that we need to crack. Seems to me that leads to more scum wins rather than more town ones.

[The Fonz]

Depends on the bad habit in question. Lurkers, for instance, will often start to give opinions etc if the alternative is their own death. If the bad habit in question is, say, MoS always random voting upon replacing into the game regardless of gamestate, then it's less tractable, though the problem can be solved by appealing to consistency yourself- ie, "BUT I

ALWAYS

vote selfvoters, so it's not indicative of alignment!"

[scotmany12]

unvote, vote: saberwolf

Mostly out of annoyance, but he's clearly being anti-town at the moment. Let's see if starting a bandwagon will interest him in the game, like he says.

This is a stupid vote. Anti-town is not scum. Apathy is not a scumtell. Stop voting for him.

I agree, it is stupid. His vote that is. I don't believe saberwolf to be apathetic though. I think he is lying on that part and just keeping a low profile so he doesn't slip up with anything.

[The Fonz]

You see, I'm not sure there, Scot. He's going out of his way to draw attention to himself by making a point of how little he's contributing. I'm really can't see any pro-WC motivation for that from either side. He probably is just bored. Problem is, that doesn't help the town, because players can't just be allowed to slide by not saying anything.

[scotmany12]

You see, I'm not sure there, Scot. He's going out of his way to draw attention to himself by making a point of how little he's contributing. I'm really can't see any pro-WC motivation for that from either side. He probably is just bored. Problem is, that doesn't help the town, because players can't just be allowed to slide by not saying anything.

His reaction feels contrived to me.

[The Fonz]

It doesn't to me.

[Quagmire]

You see, I'm not sure there, Scot. He's going out of his way to draw attention to himself by making a point of how little he's contributing. I'm really can't see any pro-WC motivation for that from either side. He probably is just bored. Problem is, that doesn't help the town, because players can't just be allowed to slide by not saying anything.

Another problem is, I've done that exact same thing probably 100 times as town. So, you can't use that as a scumtell.

[Quagmire]

For the record, I think SW is genuinely apathetic.

[Quagmire]

No, THAT's bullshit. Things that are antitown, by definition, hurt the town's chances of winning the game. If town people do scum-favouring things, scum players will be able to get away with advancing their win condition more blatantly. The only way you can stop people doing antitown things is to threaten them with lynch if they don't stop doing them.

Your analogy is bollocks, because throwing a fastball on a 2-2 count is a valid strategy for getting the batter out. It might not be the best choice, but the pitcher is still trying to get the hitter out and not give him the base. Town players acting antitown is the equivalent of intentionally walking the pitcher with the bases loaded.

You missed the point. My analogy is that you're advocating throwing the 2-2 curve every single time that situation comes up.

[Quagmire]

The problem with the way you think Fonz is that you can't just strictly break down actions into either 'pro-town' or 'anti-town' and then place one action into only one of those classifications. Mafia doesn't work like that, especially when you're using such blatant expressions like Saberwolf did.