California Trilogy: City of Angels - Off Stage (Game Over)

[Mighty Orbots]

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[curiouskarmadog]

ha, think i just figured out what my (-1) was for the first question. I bet that if I drove and made it to end game...I would have become mafia....that would be a -1 in an end game scenario...

at any rate, it doesnt matter....keep me off stage....if scum put me on stage, stuntman me off...

[Thok]

Any plan for questions should have some redundancy built in: anything that depends on all seven questions can be manipulated by scum lies, and those lies are mostly undetectable.

I'd suggest something, but I'd like to know what properties we will be allowed to ask about.

[VP Baltar]

I'm telling you right now, I'm not good with number puzzles. They aren't my thing and don't count on me for much in that regard.

[hewitt]

Reading now, although I want to know why Pooky was able to just lurk by without pressure before his modkill...

Uh, he wasn't. He was called out multiple times.

[Mighty Orbots]

Poor elvis.

I think Pooky was a mercy killing. Well not really but wow.

I'm going to go back and look at things in Pooky-is-scum context. Though if I remember right he didn't leave many tracks so I'm not sure how useful this will be.

[VP Baltar]

Talilan, I'd like your thoughts on who is scum now that Gaspar has flipped town and Pooky has flipped scum.

[VP Baltar]

GnB, same question as above.


Also, the flip makes me think hewitt is less likely scum. He has been pushing for pooky's lynch for a good portion of the game in a way that doesn't exactly look like scum bussing. Need to do more readjusting given new information.

[Talilan]

Fair question, I'm still a little bit stunned frankly (mainly about Gaspar, not tooo surprised about Pooks) and doubting all my previous opinions. It might take me a little while to get my confidence back.

Kinda surprised at another scientologist, though. But it seems pretty clear that whatever CKD says, the scientologists ARE the mafia... right? I still don't think CKD is lying, but I do have to start to consider that possibility. If he's scum, there must have been some incentive for him to say that there's a SMG, but I can't figure it out. Also have to consider that the mod might be evil (not as in scum in this game, just evil in general!).

I'll get back to you on who I think the scum is when everything has sunk in.

~Tal

[VP Baltar]

Discord amongst the hydras...again.

I bet Pooky was town

not tooo surprised about Pooks

Now, a quick glance over your iso shows you didn't generaly voice a strong opinion about Pooky either way. I can somewhat understand this given his general absence, so maybe you can explain why you're "not too surprised" about his flip. The previous comment you gave about Pooky was intentionally vague, ie when you were giving your scumlist you called him "delectable".

[GoofballsAndBaloons]

Also, the flip makes me think hewitt is less likely scum. He has been pushing for pooky's lynch for a good portion of the game in a way that doesn't exactly look like scum bussing.

Here we fundamentally disagree. I've been scum enough to recognize bus'ing when I see it.

That was bus'ing. Pooky was a nice safe place to park his vote when there is no chance for a lynch of his buddy, while everyone else is lynching a townie. Great way to get fake town cred. When I called him on it he baited me with a fleeting Starkiss vote, but I'm not fooled.

Especially after hewitt quick hammered Gaspar before anyone could change their minds. Gaspar is a big fish. Can't let him slip away.

But then nooooobody ever believes me. I'm like a prophet in the desert.

[hewitt]

GnB you're not even close to a prophet. I actually wouldn't mind being lynched next scene because I know that scum are going to pick me for Endgame because they think I'll be an easy lynch and they might be right. If by chance dumber players are picked to go to the Endgame too then I probably will be lynched and town stands a greater chance of losing.

[StarKiss]

Welcome to my world:LOL:

[StarKiss]

Damn iPod automatic correction...

Dram both btw

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

AtE doesn't work on the iceman.

[Talilan]

Hi, I haven't read, I don't really have anything to say about Glork but...ugh

sorry to Glork and elvis I guess

anyhows I thought up two good ideas, one which I ran by Talitha earlier and the second...uh yeah I'm a bit unsure on it but I'll go ahead

I had this idea that all the advocates pick a number totally at random, and ask "is ~insert number~ very good, good or neutral?". There's a 3/5 chance of getting a correct answer in which case, if we trust them, if we pick the number they chose, then we will at worst get a neutral and at best get a very good outcome. To me it seems better than people just randomly choosing likely useless questions. Does that sound like a g00d id3@ guyth?????

The second idea...well, well does anyone remember how ehobanohar went down? hehe.

- ortolan

[Talilan]

actually scratch that, we only have two lynches to punish non-compliers anyway and getting modkilled isn't exactly desirable. Oh well at least I came up with one (possibly) good idea.

[Thok]

I had this idea that all the advocates pick a number totally at random, and ask "is ~insert number~ very good, good or neutral?". There's a 3/5 chance of getting a correct answer in which case, if we trust them, if we pick the number they chose, then we will at worst get a neutral and at best get a very good outcome. To me it seems better than people just randomly choosing likely useless questions. Does that sound like a g00d id3@ guyth?????

We can't ask questions about individual numbers. (That's actually part of the difficulty of this challenge.) We can ask questions about the set of numbers {1,2,3,4,5}, but not about the number 1.

If we could ask questions about individual numbers, the challenge would be a lot easier.

[Talilan]

It looks to me like you can accomplish the same thing?

Does the set {7,8,9,10,11} have the property that the highest number in the set is either very good, good, or neutral?

[Thok]

It looks to me like you can accomplish the same thing?

Does the set {7,8,9,10,11} have the property that the highest number in the set is either very good, good, or neutral?

That assumes we can ask that question. We should ask Mr. Grey.

(If we can ask questions about individual numbers, we can do better than your result: there's a way to get a very good number in 6 questions, assuming nobody lies about their answer.)

[Talilan]

maybe you can explain why you're "not too surprised" about his flip

Because of his onstage voting record (which I talked about as reason to think he's scum in post 1919 of this thread).
~Tal

[ShadowLurker]

I have determined a way to make it so that we have a 93.00% chance of getting a Very Good outcome assuming no liars. With one liar, it drops down to 90.90%. Two liars, it gets mathematically more complex so I don't have an exact number but basically there should be no question that we get a Very Good outcome.

Unlike Talilan's method, which I'm pretty sure Mr. Grey will shoot down, this is very straightforward and involves all elements of the set so it shouldn't be shot down.

Since next scene is a basically surefire way to get a +2, I'd like Talilan's picks to be dictated by the town and for her to give full disclosure of who she is sending On Stage although I am getting a pretty town read of her.

PS. If we feel in danger we are dropping down to 5 Innocents, we can No Lynch on the final scene.

[Talilan]

Seeing as there's no advocate, I am fine with discussing and agreeing as a group on the picks.

T

[VP Baltar]

Also, the flip makes me think hewitt is less likely scum. He has been pushing for pooky's lynch for a good portion of the game in a way that doesn't exactly look like scum bussing.

Here we fundamentally disagree. I've been scum enough to recognize bus'ing when I see it.

That was bus'ing. Pooky was a nice safe place to park his vote when there is no chance for a lynch of his buddy, while everyone else is lynching a townie. Great way to get fake town cred. When I called him on it he baited me with a fleeting Starkiss vote, but I'm not fooled.

Especially after hewitt quick hammered Gaspar before anyone could change their minds. Gaspar is a big fish. Can't let him slip away.

But then nooooobody ever believes me. I'm like a prophet in the desert.

If his desire to lynch pooky had only occured in the last scene, I would most definitely agree with you, but he had been one of the only players calling pooky out consistently since very early in the game. I don't think scum would intentionally draw that much attention to their partner's massive lurk if no one else was. There is no benefit to it really.

I still want you to answer the question about scum reads now after the flips that I put to Talilan.

I am very fine with town picking on stage folks beforehand. My thoughts are we should put mostly town up there. Will try and get my list up today.

[curiouskarmadog]

I know I am still not trusted, but remember I didnt put Orbots there....

sooooo..either scum get a pick oooorrr...they get to see a list before hand.

just something you peeps should keep in mind.