Mini 861: Hellsing Mafia - (Game Over!)

[forbiddanlight]

EBWOP:

Um...nevermind...

I read too quickly. I ended up reading ABR's number with Doombunny's name. Now things make a lot more sense.

Sorry about that...

[Konowa]

I am pretty sure that Milennium is town. You can chalk this up to confirmation bias though. However, I do not think that the entire town is Milennium.

Preview Edit:

Looks like you figured the votecount out

[Netopalis]

Konowa, what on earth do you expect DB to do if he's placed a random vote on someone he doesn't think is scum and a bandwagon starts to form? Do you expect him to stick with it, even though he doesn't support it? Also: Of course the entire town can't be Milennium, there are only 5 potential players from it.

[Konowa]

Konowa, what on earth do you expect DB to do if he's placed a random vote on someone

he doesn't think is scum

and a bandwagon starts to form? Do you expect him to stick with it, even though he doesn't support it? Also: Of course the entire town can't be Milennium, there are only 5 potential players from it.

Can you point me to where he said that he did not think that kikcuhiyo was scum? Let me answer this for you, he did not. He never claimed that he did not think kikcuchiyo was not scum. That is the point I am trying to make. He agreed with my reasoning, but not enough to confirm vote. Then he said he does not really think anything of it at the moment and that should a wagon take off he will un-vote. Nowhere does he mention that he does not think kikcuchiyo is not scum.

My main point is that it looks like he had already pre-determined,

despite

reasoning that might have been presented later, that he was going to un-vote.

[Netopalis]

And he doesn't say that either. What is his alternative reason for unvoting? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to just say he wanted to avoid a big wagon - although even that isn't scummy in and of itself.

[Konowa]

It is inferred.

I have said several times now that his alternative reason to un-voting is to stay off his buddy's wagon.

Avoiding a wagon on what we know now is confirmed scum, is scummy.

[Netopalis]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it....I would have done the same thing in his position.

[Konowa]

Avoiding a wagon on what we know now is confirmed scum, is scummy.

Do you disagree with the above statement Netopalis?

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I will be back later this afternoon.

I would like to see ABR's thoughts and Shotty's scum list before this day is over.

[Netopalis]

Not necessarily. It can be, but it is not always.

[forbiddanlight]

Konowa, what on earth do you expect DB to do if he's placed a random vote on someone he doesn't think is scum and a bandwagon starts to form? Do you expect him to stick with it, even though he doesn't support it? Also: Of course the entire town can't be Milennium, there are only 5 potential players from it.

aren't there more?

We have Doc, Schroedinger, Rip Van Winkle, Major, Captain, Zorin, Alhambra at the least?

Wiki includes the Valantine brothers...as...well...

Oh.

That's 9 people.

That does make a VERY...interesting situation.

[Netopalis]

Hmm....That is interesting. I hadn't realized that before. That being said, we know that Pip Bernadotte is town...and he's not Millennium

[forbiddanlight]

Hmm....That is interesting. I hadn't realized that before. That being said, we know that Pip Bernadotte is town...and he's not Millennium

Yep, that works ^-^

I doubt that Kai would have made all of one faction town. And plus, if Millennium were the town, there would be precious few fakeclaims left.

I don't think character name will have much to do with alignment.

[Konowa]

Boourns at no ABR or Shotty post.

Will back tomorrow.

G'night folks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Shotty is scum in the slightest, after laboring at making a worthy case on him for 15 minutes. Couldn't find a damn thing besides his tunneling.

[magnus_orion]

magnus, I am going to have to burst your bubble. I am Milennium. Start looking elsewhere.

Not convinced I need to start looking elsewhere from you saying this.

[Doombunny9]

This is what I am talking about. To me it seems that you had already determined that should a kikcuchiyo wagon take off you were going to un-vote. Un-voting with the sole purpose being that it is a large wagon is scummy to me. You were not even going to take into consideration what other points might have been brought up against kikcuchiyo. I read this, as I stated earlier, as scum trying to stay off their buddy's wagon.

Yes I was planning that if a Kik wagin did take off than I would stay off it it because my vote was from the RVS stage. Can someone refresh my memeory about why they thought kik was scummy at that point? Because I remember that the reason I didn't have a serious vote was either because I disagreed with it or felt it wasn't good enough.

Doombunny, you have stated several times now that you found saber scummy, but just not for the reasons that everyone else did. Now, I might fail at reading, early morning and no coffee yet, but I can not find any reasoning of your own of why you found saber scummy.

Where did you get the idea that I found him scummy for differant reasons. I agreed with (most) of the things said about him.

My main point is that it looks like he had already pre-determined, despite reasoning that might have been presented later, that he was going to un-vote.

Wait a minuite. Where the hell do you get this? I'm not going to vote kik if I think she's scum? Can you point me to this? If good evidence was provided to me, I would have probably kept my vot on kik, regardless of a bandwagon or not.

[Chaco]

A larger post promised will be cut short due to time issues, however, I do hope this will do the trick!

Upon reading DB in Iso for the umpteenth time, I decided to stop merely picking at scummy snippets and look for patterns or motives. I looked into patterns first off, and Doom has a very distinct on at that.

We all know how Net is defending DB now? Well, at one point Doom was one of the one's attempting to undermine his claim. They come off as "mis-informed" questions but actually, to me, seem like nudges. There are quite a few instances of these questions tat really bug me, the main one being Net:

"Couldn't he just shoot someone and then claim vig?"

Do you see why this is unnerving? It's a common knowledge question that the newest of mafia players could figure out. But Doom has a way with adding these in.

Also, the swap from believing Neto to undermining Neto doesn't sit well with me.

That's all I can manage at the moment, sorry. Hopefully this is somewhat better, Magnus.

[Netopalis]

I'm afraid that you really haven't proven much of anything here. Yes, I am defending DB. I think I have a pretty good reason - the sheer fact that nobody has put forth any valid arguments for his scumminess.

DB asked a lot of questions, but Amished did in a similar manner and he was town. I'm sorry, but you're still at the "A lot of flimsy evidence" level - you've not yet provided a single solid block of information that is usable to lynch.

[Chaco]

Amished's questions were meaningful, Dooms are not.

[Netopalis]

And your posts contain that much substance to them? How about SSK? There are a lot of posters out there with far less substantive posts....In fact, I'd say that Doombunny's posts have more substance than most other players' right now.

[Chaco]

More text in them, but as far as substance that'd be a no.

[Chaco]

More text in them, but as far as substance that'd be a no.

[Netopalis]

You're delusional.

[Chaco]

That isn't convincing me that Doom isn't scum. You argue that you want me to convince you that Doom is scummy, but I also want you to convince me that he's not. Don't try the burden of proof shit here. It's going both ways.

[Netopalis]

The burden of proof lies with the person making the accusation. Trust me, I know all about burden of proof.