Mini 876 - Tree Stump II [Day None] (Abandoned)

[Sanjay]

Oooh! Did you think that when there were three?

[Cobalt]

hi quag <3

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@cybele: lol.. nothing else to add?

@chinaman :

a) I don't know. but I figured that you must have some intention to post it
and
b) it's quite fair

how about a proposal....you stump yourself and if you aren't scum I'll stump myself (unless you believe that both of us are town)

[Shanba]

@cybele: lol.. nothing else to add?

@chinaman :

a) I don't know. but I figured that you must have some intention to post it
and
b) it's quite fair

how about a proposal....you stump yourself and if you aren't scum I'll stump myself (unless you believe that both of us are town)

By all that's holy, by everything ever considered sacred under the sun, please tell me you weren't serious. Are you honestly suggesting, assuming you're town, that you would kill yourself over being wrong? Are you also suggesting that a player ought to die on page 4 because you have a weak random vote stage case against him? Are you completely ignoring how much havoc it would cause to the town if it turned out you were both wrong and town and we were suddenly down two townies for no very good reason?

Have you even read what The Fonz and others have been saying (I think it was him.)

Unvote vote Tjoe Min Ja

Let's get cooking.

[Cobalt]

shanba, do you really think what TMJ said was scummy as opposed to anti-town? That looks more like a VI move than a scum move. What kind of scum would offer to go 1 for 1 with a vanilla townie?

[Empking]

So p27 and p28 have a joking feel to them as they are seemingly RVS banter still.

p29 by Empking peaked some interest though. Empking, care to explain your vote? As for now it looks like a BW vote with zero explanation.

You claimed scum.

[Chinaman]

So p27 and p28 have a joking feel to them as they are seemingly RVS banter still.

p29 by Empking peaked some interest though. Empking, care to explain your vote? As for now it looks like a BW vote with zero explanation.

You claimed scum.

You aren't the only one who has claimed this and those SERIOUSLY claiming this are either A: retarded or B: anti-town. If you are not seriously trying to pursue a case on me based on me "claiming" scum, then you are prolly neither A nor B, but if you are seriously considering that my post was me claiming scum, please let me know so I can vote for you.

[Sanjay]

Why is it so surprising to you that people are taking issue to you saying you are a lumberjack, Chinaman?

[Sanjay]

There are four people on your wagon. Given there only being three mafia, that's one confirmed retarded person.

[Shanba]

shanba, do you really think what TMJ said was scummy as opposed to anti-town? That looks more like a VI move than a scum move. What kind of scum would offer to go 1 for 1 with a vanilla townie?

It's page 3. I dont really have the information I need to make an informed guess as to his alignment. Here, though, is an opportunity to grill him, and get some info.

So in answer to your question, I dont really care whether it's scummy or anti-town.

[Empking]

So p27 and p28 have a joking feel to them as they are seemingly RVS banter still.

p29 by Empking peaked some interest though. Empking, care to explain your vote? As for now it looks like a BW vote with zero explanation.

You claimed scum.

You aren't the only one who has claimed this and those SERIOUSLY claiming this are either A: retarded or B: anti-town. If you are not seriously trying to pursue a case on me based on me "claiming" scum, then you are prolly neither A nor B, but if you are seriously considering that my post was me claiming scum, please let me know so I can vote for you.

I'm serious.

[Quagmire]

unvote, vote Shanba

[Mr.Jester]

I think a little principle of charity is in order on the chinaman wagon. I think it is reasonable to assume that by the principle of charity, we assume that scum are logical. So considering the case of the wagon, you have two cases here. Either he is scum or he isn't and was joking (albeit a very poor joke).

If he were scum, then his move would be a highly illogical one. But by assumption, we assert that scum are logical. So based purely on the premises that the wagon is built on, it is more reasonable to assume for now that he was joking and has a poor sense of humour. However, based on his future actions, this act could serve to support his lynch later on. As for now it isn't conclusive.

Considering, how unreasonable this case is, its odd that so many people are on this wagon.

[Sanjay]

Unvote

Vote: Mr.Jester

Is the case unreasonable or is inconclusive? Surely those aren't the same thing to you.

[Sudo_Nym]

unvote vote Quagmire

Unexplaned vote on Shanba; possibly random, but that's petering out. Maybe you just feel sorrow over missing it (welcome, btw).

More to the point, Shanba's grilling TMJ is perfectly reasonable- TMJ made a stupid statement, and Shanba is seizing the opportunity. It's not as though we've got anything better to go on; and the idea that TMJ would even consider offing two townies for no reason is ridiculous. Because you haven't explained the vote, I have to assume that Shanba's more recent posts are why, unless you'd care to explain.

[Chinaman]

So p27 and p28 have a joking feel to them as they are seemingly RVS banter still.

p29 by Empking peaked some interest though. Empking, care to explain your vote? As for now it looks like a BW vote with zero explanation.

You claimed scum.

You aren't the only one who has claimed this and those SERIOUSLY claiming this are either A: retarded or B: anti-town. If you are not seriously trying to pursue a case on me based on me "claiming" scum, then you are prolly neither A nor B, but if you are seriously considering that my post was me claiming scum, please let me know so I can vote for you.

I'm serious.

I'm a man of my word.

Vote: Empking

Now let me ask Empking, do you think it was a claim or do you think it was a scumslip of some sort. Please explain your thoughts.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

shanba, do you really think what TMJ said was scummy as opposed to anti-town? That looks more like a VI move than a scum move. What kind of scum would offer to go 1 for 1 with a vanilla townie?

It's page 3. I dont really have the information I need to make an informed guess as to his alignment. Here, though, is an opportunity to grill him, and get some info.

So in answer to your question, I dont really care whether it's scummy or anti-town.

don't really care? why?

it starts a discusion, doesn't it?

@chinaman : could you answer my proposal?

[Empking]

I think a little principle of charity is in order on the chinaman wagon. I think it is reasonable to assume that by the principle of charity, we assume that scum are logical. So considering the case of the wagon, you have two cases here. Either he is scum or he isn't and was joking (albeit a very poor joke).

If he were scum, then his move would be a highly illogical one. But by assumption, we assert that scum are logical. So based purely on the premises that the wagon is built on, it is more reasonable to assume for now that he was joking and has a poor sense of humour. However, based on his future actions, this act could serve to support his lynch later on. As for now it isn't conclusive.

Considering, how unreasonable this case is, its odd that so many people are on this wagon.

You have anything better?

[Quagmire]

unvote vote Quagmire

Unexplaned vote on Shanba; possibly random, but that's petering out. Maybe you just feel sorrow over missing it (welcome, btw).

More to the point, Shanba's grilling TMJ is perfectly reasonable- TMJ made a stupid statement, and Shanba is seizing the opportunity. It's not as though we've got anything better to go on; and the idea that TMJ would even consider offing two townies for no reason is ridiculous. Because you haven't explained the vote, I have to assume that Shanba's more recent posts are why, unless you'd care to explain.

I don't do random votes, ever. Shanba tried to hop on a terrible bandwagon (despite what you may think, 'seizing the opportunity' is more of a scum tell than a town tell) and play it off as 'oh I'm trying to grill him,' which is obviously bullshit. His reason for voting him in the first place is a really bad reason to vote for someone; 'there's nothing better to go on right now' is not an excuse for a terrible bandwagon.

It's also stupid for you to vote for me as a punishment for not explaining my vote. How in the world is that a scumtell at all?

[Quagmire]

By the way the 'sam.samhorn' votes on page 1 or whatever are me. sam.samhorn is my alt. I accidentally posted without realizing what account I was signed in on.

[Quagmire]

Can people please stop using 'there's nothing better to go on right now' as an excuse to vote someone? It's not legitimate, and it's not an excuse. Don't pretend like it is.

Besides, we do have something better to go on. Shanba's estranged voting is an early scumtell.

[Empking]

Can people please stop using 'there's nothing better to go on right now' as an excuse to vote someone? It's not legitimate, and it's not an excuse. Don't pretend like it is.

Besides, we do have something better to go on. Shanba's estranged voting is an early scumtell.

Do you think that Shanba's estranged voting would be worth a vote on day 5?

[Shanba]

It's also stupid for you to vote for me as a punishment for not explaining my vote. How in the world is that a scumtell at all?

This is true.

Quagmire, how is my vote beneficial to scum?

[Sudo_Nym]

It's also stupid for you to vote for me as a punishment for not explaining my vote. How in the world is that a scumtell at all?

This is true.

Quagmire, how is my vote beneficial to scum?

Beat me to it. Maybe Quag and I will have to agree to disagree. The whole point is discussion- that's how the town wins. In what way does withholding discussion help the town?

[Mr.Jester]

Unvote

Vote: Mr.Jester

Is the case unreasonable or is inconclusive? Surely those aren't the same thing to you.

Of course they are not the same thing. Just to be clear let me define what I mean by what I mean by both.

Unreasonable: is an evaluation of the cogency of an argument. i.e given (A,B,C) => D. The argument (A,B,C)=> D is not cogent or reasonable, in other words poor. We can do this on several reasons, ie rejection of premises, relevance and grounds.

Conclusive: Given a set of arguments (A,B,C). The truth of all the premises guarantees the truth of the conclusion, in other words, that the argument is "valid". An argument being inconclusive is the negation of this. it, the truth of all the premises does not guarantee the truth of the conclusion.


As for your vote, you have given no justification or reasoning. That's twice you've done this already in a game that's 3 pages long.