Border of Touhou and Mafia ~ Game Over!

[zwetschenwasser]

Xyl, if I was scum, why would I claim info against Dramonic when I did?

Hmm. Good question. I assume you wouldn't just try to trade with a townie here.

WIFOM! Xyl Kmd scumteam...

Nobody here is stupid enough to not lynch Kmd if dramonic comes up town... I hope. Given that, it's not WIFOM.

But it would help clear you.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, if I was scum, why would I claim info against Dramonic when I did?

Hmm. Good question. I assume you wouldn't just try to trade with a townie here.

WIFOM! Xyl Kmd scumteam...

Nobody here is stupid enough to not lynch Kmd if dramonic comes up town... I hope. Given that, it's not WIFOM.

But it would help clear you.

I'm so obvtown I don't need to be cleared.

[Vi]

Wriggle Nightbug, Part 1
Exactly what you would expect - a firefly youkai. Her power to control bugs is also exactly what you would expect. Her

looks

, on the other hand, are pretty unexpected - it's pretty easy to see why she's the target of every gender-confusion joke people make. With a little thought, you can also see why she's even lower on the food chain than, say, Mystia the sparrow.
Probably because of these, whenever she shows up it's usually in a sympathetic light. She's even tomboyish enough (and strong enough) to have been considered for the fighting games, wielding a high-velocity kick.

Vote Count:

dramonic (L-2) ~ Kmd4390, Plum, Zakeri, Sotty7

Pesco47 (L-4) ~ Xylthixlm, tubby216
tubby216 (L-5) ~ Pesco47

Not Voting:

dramonic, Elmo, zwetschenwasser
[size=0]dramonic 1 | Elmo 0 | Kmd 0 | Pesco 1 | Plum 1 | Sotty 0 | tubby 2 | Xyl 0 | Zakeri 2 | zwet 0[/size]

--With 10 alive, it will take 6 to drop a Legendary Flying Saucer on someone...

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(78%)

[Elmo]

Had to make sure you weren't joking.

Ell oh ell.

Okay.. I'm really struggling to see how dramonic is town if KMD is telling the truth. I'm pretty much certain he's not lying about receiving the watch, and my read on him previously was fairly townish; I don't see a motive for KMD fake-claiming unless he's willing to trade himself for dramonic, and it's not like he could have had a mafia rolecop tell him dramonic was a cop or something. Linked to alignment would require him to be something like a lyncher, and he hasn't attacked dramonic before - in fact he previously passed up the opportunity to push his lynch via Plum here. So I'd say the shift in wanting-to-lynch-dramonic-ness is caused by a night action rather than alignment. I just don't see what he has to gain from it otherwise.

Dead Parrots:

10. Riceballtail - Nitori Kawashiro, Townie Inventor ~ Neighborizer, sapped Night 1...
4. forbiddanlight - Marisa Kirisame, Townie Villager Citizen ~ Role Thief, sapped Night 2...
12. SpyreX - Yuyuko Saigyouji, Townie Goddess over Death ~ Roleblocker, sapped Night 3...

There is essentially no chance of a delayed kill. The person who killed SpyreX killed each night before that, and judging from the targets was definitely scum. I don't think I've ever seen a Ninja in a game, so I'd hafta discount that. So it's clear that KMD's claim is essentially KMD claiming dramonic is scum.

I guess I have a slight reservation about dramonic, he isn't

really

acting like how I'd expect caught scum to act, as far as I can see.. I wouldn't expect dramonic-scum to claim

Nexus

of all things, and I wouldn't expect him to say he still thinks KMD is town after KMD's claim. Although perhaps a townie would just OMGUS hugely, and dramonic understands that is going to get him killed anyway. I guess I could see a bunch of people acting like this as scum, it's certainly very WIFOMish and not very strong as a reason not to lynch him; I haven't come across anything better in his defence. If this is a mislynch, it's probably one of the few I don't feel stupid about in retrospect, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to avoid it.

So I'm pretty strongly leaning towards lynching Dramonic. I don't see a direct way to get more info, both dramonic and KMD have claimed everything they say know. I guess it's reasonable to let dramonic have a last word, I see he already posted a list, but I'm blanking on what he'd usefully say, really. So yeah, most of this post is equivalent to "lets lynch dram lol".

vote dramonic

What Xyl brings up about Pesco / Mufasa is interesting, I would probably go for a Pesco lynch on that basis; skimming back, they certainly seemed to be very "in sync" with each other, especially around the mipe lynch. But I just don't see a good reason to lynch someone other than KMD or dramonic today.

Note that you DO NOT need to know anything about the flavor to play this game... and if you did, you would know that things will look more or less as crazy anyway.

Pesco, what do you think about this if you're putting stock in flavour arguments? I don't think Vi (ugh, almost got *daykill*'d for capitalisation) would let people use flavour particularly usefully.

Also, who's scum?

[tubby216]

so dram is at l-1,

hmmm

[dramonic]

so dram is at l-1,

hmmm

great observation Sherlock Holmes.

[Zakeri]

Two things I'd like to see right about now

1. Pesco's List of who he thinks is scum
2. Zwet

Preferably in that order.

[Pesco47]

Same with any game of mafia, you only need the fundamental knowledge to play. Flavour gives a little more edge when deciding if a role is scummy or fakeclaimed. Familiarity with the background also means you can pick out which characters are lynch on sight.

My list
Tubby
Xyl
Sotty or Plum

[Xylthixlm]

Same with any game of mafia, you only need the fundamental knowledge to play. Flavour gives a little more edge when deciding if a role is scummy or fakeclaimed. Familiarity with the background also means you can pick out which characters are lynch on sight.

My list
Tubby
Xyl
Sotty or Plum

The only one of those that actually has much likelihood of being scum is tubby.

[Xylthixlm]

Someone has to go and my read on Xyl is town. Let's see, where could I find someone who's contribution is really not that useful and close enough to prevent the obvtown lynch... Oh look, I know!

Vote: Hulk

^ this is why I'm not voting dramonic. If he's scum, why deflect the wagon from a townie (me) to a scumbuddy? I could sort of see dramonic as a 3rd party (SK), but that would mean the mafia killed one of their own...

[Xylthixlm]

Night 1, I targeted Xyl
Night 2, I targeted Kmd
Night 3, I targeted SpyreX

The only person in this list with a chance of being scum (from my POV) is Kmd.

I am going to laugh hysterically if it turns out that Kmd is scum and his kill was randomized to SpyreX.

[Sotty7]

Someone has to go and my read on Xyl is town. Let's see, where could I find someone who's contribution is really not that useful and close enough to prevent the obvtown lynch... Oh look, I know!

Vote: Hulk

^ this is why I'm not voting dramonic. If he's scum, why deflect the wagon from a townie (me) to a scumbuddy? I could sort of see dramonic as a 3rd party (SK), but that would mean the mafia killed one of their own...

What do you think about the 2 scum team theory?

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

doobeedoo...

[dramonic]

You make me sad...

[Xylthixlm]

Someone has to go and my read on Xyl is town. Let's see, where could I find someone who's contribution is really not that useful and close enough to prevent the obvtown lynch... Oh look, I know!

Vote: Hulk

^ this is why I'm not voting dramonic. If he's scum, why deflect the wagon from a townie (me) to a scumbuddy? I could sort of see dramonic as a 3rd party (SK), but that would mean the mafia killed one of their own...

What do you think about the 2 scum team theory?

Extremely unlikely due to the night kills.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'll take that as a scumclaim, dramonic

[Vi]

Suika Ibuki, Part 1
One of the last onis in existence, banished to a primordial outer world for being way, way, way too strong. (Consider what manipulation of density can do for a moment.) After several thousand years, Suika just wants to have people around and have fun, but unfortunately for everyone else her idea of fun involves beating people up and/or annoying them. Oh, that's like everyone else?
Her manipulation of density also works on populations; she has the ability to bring people together and start parties. Her gourd is filled with endless alcohol for this very purpose. Suika is

always

drunk, but a little more self-aware than she gives away.

Vote Count:

dramonic (LYNCH) ~ Kmd4390, Plum, Zakeri, Sotty7, Elmo, zwetschenwasser

Pesco47 (L-4) ~ Xylthixlm, tubby216
tubby216 (L-5) ~ Pesco47

Not Voting:

dramonic,

Elmo, zwetschenwasser

[size=0]dramonic 1 | Elmo 0 | Kmd 0 | Pesco 1 | Plum 1 | Sotty 0 | tubby 2 | Xyl 0 | Zakeri 2 | zwet 0[/size]

--With 10 alive, it will take 6 to drop a Legendary Flying Saucer on someone...

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(78%)

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--- dramonic ---

Koishi Komeiji, Lunatic Psychopath ~ Ambiguous Godmother

--- Saucered Day 4!!!

-A chain reaction is starting!

--- Pesco47 ---

Suika Ibuki, Phantasmal Gatherer ~ Inverse Lyncher

--- Wandered away Day 4...

----

Night 4 will end three days from now; you know what to do.

[Vi]

Fujiwara no Mokou, Part 1
A human who lives a solitary life deep in the bamboo forest. In the bizarre continuity of the series, Mokou's father was spurned by Kaguya while she lived on Earth. In revenge, Mokou drank the vial of the elixir of immortality (yes, that again) that was meant for the Emperor and devoted herself to becoming Kaguya's eternal rival. They now spend their immortal lives attempting to kill each other using whichever means work. (Of course, it never works in the end, but it doesn't stop them from trying. Besides, it seems like they kind of like the arrangement...)
Even with the sign of the phoenix, Mokou is still human and dies somewhat easily. But having a low upper limit to the pain she can endure is probably a good thing given how often she dies...

Vote Count:

Not Voting:

Elmo, Kmd4390, Plum, Sotty7, tubby216, Xylthixlm, Zakeri, zwetschenwasser
[size=0]Elmo 0 | Kmd 0 | Plum 0 | Sotty 0 | tubby 0 | Xyl 0 | Zakeri 0 | zwet 0[/size]

-Nobody died Night 4.

--With 8 alive, it will take 5 to drop a Super Youkai Warhead on someone...

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(100%)

[dramonic]

Mooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Xylthixlm]

That was one of those times to trust role info over my gut, apparently.

[Xylthixlm]

Mrrrrh.

vote: zwetschenwasser

.

[Zakeri]

I was hoping the game would have ended yesterday.

Lyncher - Attempts to lynch someone who the town does not want lynched
Inverse Lyncher - Attemps to protect someone the town does want to lynch.

I officially retract my two scumteams theory now.

I still don't get what Mufasa's alignment was, since this implies both scum AND third party.

Vote: Tubby216

Chances are this is our last Mafia.

[Xylthixlm]

I did quick rereads of the living players, and most of them look vaguely but not strongly town. tubby216 and zwet are glaring exceptions.

[tubby216]

well it ain't me so

vote, zwet

[Zakeri]

well it ain't me so

vote, zwet

Scum usually wait until lylo to pull something like this, but I'll let it slide since you're not going to last until then.