Mini 199 - Time Travel Mafia, Game Over!

[Nox]

True, True.
Opening a game with a debate on random voting would most-likely be as useless as opening a game with random voting.

[Someone]

Just remembered we're working on a deadline.

Anyways, let's get this moving.

vote:fishbulb

because he hasn't posted yet (but otherwise random).

[mole]

While we're waiting though, let's continue with the useless voting theory.

80% of the fun of Mr Stoofer's vote is in the fact that we don't know what it means. It he had told us all it was a random vote then Someone would be ignoring it even more than he is at the moment. Maybe it was random, maybe he knows something. Maybe he doesn't know what his information means and was trying to get Someone's reaction to make sure he was sane before he claimed.

In all of these cases I don't see any point to Stoofer revealing what he knows right now. It's either going to confirm that his vote is meaningless, or it's going to force a cop claim or something when he may want to remain hidden. I'd rather he tell us when he's ready.

[Someone]

Why is stoofer's vote considered any less random then the votes specifically labeled as random?

For all practical purposes, Mr Stoofer's vote was exactly the same as a random vote. What does the word "random" do for a post? Don't we assume that a lone vote in the first non-mod post of the game is random? And if Mr Stoofer

was

a cop with information, could he not be hiding it behind a random vote, just as easily as a non-random vote? Mr Stoofer obviously wanted it to be assumed a random vote, as he did not specify it wasn't. All this witchhunting about random/non-random votes only serve to madden me.

[Changling bob]

Well, I was going to say maybe I'll play in a game that EmpTyger isn't in, but that's that openning scuppered.

So instead, hi again to Mr Stoofer, and hi to n_lich.

Regarding Mr Stoofer's vote, I draw everyone's attention to the following statement: we've got to vote for someone. *imagine a lightbulb appearing over my head here*

And even if votes on the first day aren't labelled as random, does it really matter? There isn't any other info to go on 80-something percent of the time if you're the first non-mod post in the thread.

And in that kind of vein, I'll

vote: n_lich

, both because he is nefarious and not having posted yet.

[N_lich]

checking in and hi to changling bob.

Personally I assume that stoofer voted randomly or pseudo-randomly. If he wants to he can clear it up in his next post. In the meantime

Vote:Fishbulb

[Changling bob]

Unvote: n_lich

Now everyone but fishbulb has posted, but he's got two votes on him, and its the weekend, so I'm not willing to put another vote on him yet.

[mathcam]

Current Official Vote Count

:

Sinister (2, Speedy, Gaspode)
Fishbulb (2, N_lich, Someone)
Someone (1, Stoofer)

Cam

[N_lich]

Unvote: n_lich

Now everyone but fishbulb has posted, but he's got two votes on him, and its the weekend, so I'm not willing to put another vote on him yet.

why?

[Fishbulb]

Unvote: n_lich

Now everyone but fishbulb has posted, but he's got two votes on him, and its the weekend, so I'm not willing to put another vote on him yet.

why?

Because that would be stupid to bandwagon someone just because they haven't been on the forum for a couple days. It just opened yesterday morning, man.

[N_lich]

Absolutely, I'd only just posted myself, but why in that case bother bringing it up at all (also given the special lynch rules it may be rather less relevent). I just wanted to see his reaction.

BTW, what is your take on Stoofer's vote (since that seems to be the main topic of conversation so far)

unvote fishbulb

[Fishbulb]

BTW, what is your take on Stoofer's vote (since that seems to be the main topic of conversation so far)

I'm thinking it would be best to wait for him to explain himself further than to speculate on possible reasonings. Discussing it might just serve to supply him with a fake, but town-like sounding, excuse.

[Nox]

Brilliant reasoning.

[Fishbulb]

Brilliant reasoning.

Why thank you.

...Or was that sarcasm?

[Someone]

Didn't we decide that he didn't have to explain himself? Or did I miss something?

[Fishbulb]

Didn't we decide that he didn't have to explain himself? Or did I miss something?

"

We

?" Not I.

As we've established previously, I just got here.

[Someone]

Ah, and

unvote:fishbulb

[Gaspode]

Personally, I just hope Stoofer says

something

soon, whether it's related to the vote or not. He hasn't made a post since, and I highly doubt that there are post-restricted roles in this game.

[Changling bob]

Unvote: n_lich

Now everyone but fishbulb has posted, but he's got two votes on him, and its the weekend, so I'm not willing to put another vote on him yet.

why?

Partly because what fishbulb said, but mostly because it's my play style: I don't fling around votes until I'm happy with them.

@Gaspode: Don't assume anything. Just because your role doesn't say anything about post restrictions doen't mean anybody else won't have them. Having said that, I agree.

[Mr Stoofer]

Personally, I just hope Stoofer says something soon

Something.

My random vote certainly had the desired effect of kicking off a debate; but I can't see that the debate has lead anyone to say anything very scummy at all.

I strongly recommed everyone reads Cam's first time-travel game, especially his explanantions at the end. That set-up contained (I think):

1 mafia family
1 SK
1 doc and 1 backup doc (who got lynched the moment they claimed backup doc)
1 vig - who seems to have done more harm than good.
NO COP - for reasons explained by Cam in this post.

I think we should follow the voting strategy suggested by Someone in post 8; using FOS's as proxies for our votes, and then piling on the votes close to deadline. So I'll

Unvote: Someone

but

FOS: Someone

for not sticking to his own policy. Care to explain?

[Changling bob]

Mr Stoofer, although analysing the other game may give interesting information, it doesn't necessarily give us any solid information, as otherwise the game could be unbalanced.

For example, having read mathcam's post regarding cops, it seems like a good idea. However, if in the intervening time an idea has occured to him to suggest a way of making cops work in a time travel environment, the assumption that there is no cop is flawed, and potentially dangerous to the town if a cop is lynched for claiming cop for example.

[Mr Stoofer]

Mr Stoofer, although analysing the other game may give interesting information, it doesn't necessarily give us any solid information, as otherwise the game could be unbalanced.

Of course. But the other game is obviously a major source of potentially useful info, not least because this game is expressly presented as a sequel to that one. I'm going to give you a major

FOS:changling bob

for trying to dissuade people from reading that game.

[Changling bob]

I'm not dissuading people from reading the other game, but we have to be careful using that game as a source of information. However, we can't use that game to assume anything. Having reread your post, this isn't what you were trying to do.
Mea culpa.

[SpeedyKQ]

Catching up a bit.

I like Someone's 6/3 voting strategy.

I think it will be a little while before we can figure out the number of killing groups. Neither one nor two would surpise me. It helps that new killings in the past get reported right away, but we have no way of knowing how many kills are hidden in the future.

There is value in labelling a vote random, and one should only use the word if the vote is truly chosen at random. Pro-town players shouldn't lie - so a cop voting for a found bad guy shouldn't call the vote random. I hate posts like Stoofer's first one that give absolutely no reason - it makes people either assume randomness or ask for a reason, when you should just give a reason in the first place. And it isn't something to be proud of later because it "kicked of the debate."

[mathcam]

Current Official Vote Count:

SinisterOverlord (2, Speedy, Gaspode)

Not Voting: Someone, mole, Changling bob, Nox, N_lich, Quagmire, Mr Stoofer, Fishbulb, SinisterOverlord

Cam