/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

day 1 i hadnt replaced in yet

day 2-3 i was lazy cuz im super lazy like that.

day 4-6 were um, kinda just steamrolling stuff.

yea i play differently from when its a crucial gamedeciding vote when i might be possibly lynched for a town loss than when im feeling lazy and bored. Besides it's a lot easier to analyze things once you know what the scum team is.

[charter]

Ok, just finished rereading day one. Gut screams Balter is scum like whoa. Alexhans was a nonentity. EK seemed town. Went after Zu pretty hard, but never really tries throughout the game to lynch him.

I'm not doing the novel I'd planned, way too much work and no one will get anything from it anyway.

[mith]

Vote Count:

3 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (VP Baltar)

Not Voting: 3 (charter, elvis_knits, PookyTheMagicalBear)

[charter]

POOKY, WHY DID YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME DAY TWO?

[charter]

OOOOOKKK....

Elvis, I suggest you read page 27 read hard. Look at the tag team of mudslinging rofl and Balter do to ekim.

Balter's responses to ekim's case was basically to try and cast suspicion back on ekim, not to alleviate mikes suspicion of him.

Plus, the scum's reactions to the Balterwagon are pretty damning. rofl flat out chainsaws the hell out of SC, tajo is MIA, Yos continues whatever lines he was talking about earlier, says something about Balter is his third lynch choice. zu faul promptly joins the ekim wagon at the first opportunity, which is the largest rival wagon at the time. rofl also jumps on the burgeoning Xyl wagon.

Also, 921 by Yos, I'm pretty sure he'd be going after Balter way harder than that if Balter was town.

Page 38 now.

[elvis_knits]

Oh yeah I almost forgot about VP's bad case on EkiM that was mostly based on VLA.

[elvis_knits]

Reading the VP wagon, all the votes were from town, and all the scum went from the SC wagon to the Xyl wagon.

Sort of suspicious!

794 - Yos completely ignores the VP wagon
803 - pooky fails to comment on vp wagon. unvotes charter, calls tajo scum without voting him. (this is hella bad and conflicts with all this info pointing to vp scum)
812 - zu unvotes SC votes ekiM - says he only skimmed vp, no comments on him
813 - Yos fails to comment on VP again
814 - Ojanen comments that Yos didn't say anything about VP
817 - SC asks zu what he thinks of yos
820 - VP agrees Yos not commenting is weird
821 - elvis agrees, said this was the first time i really thought yos was scummy
824 - Xyl pressuring Yos
828 - Iam pressures Yos

830 - zu: "VP Baltar's wagon grew way too fast to not suspect some baleful influence (well, this is somewhat regardless of his alignment - scum would want to be on that wagon either way). "

834 - Yos says he could see lynching vp (does not vote)
836 Yos scumlist

Sure, Xyl. Pretty sure I've already said my opinion on most people in the game. Note that the names aren't in any specific order except by category.

Obv town:
Elvis
Rofl

Likely town: (people who are making sense, who are contributing, who generally seem to have pro-town motives, who look like they're scumhunting)
charter
Ojanen
iamausername
zu_Faul

Neutral (people I can't get a read on, or who I have a mixed read on)
Xylthixlm
Poptajo
ekiM
Thesp
zu_Faul

Neutral-scummy
VP Baltar
PookyTheMagicalBear

Scummy
SerialClergyman
Kmd4390

854 - rofl unvotes sc, votes xyl
856 - rofl slams the baltar wagon

I particulary noticed that zu's comment about the VP wagon being scum driven either way VP flips, is very scummy. He's saying that either VP is innocent poor baby (which suggest we shouldn't lynch VP), or that VP is being bussed (which helps him tie VP to townies, should VP get lynched and flip scum). THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I DO AS SCUM. If you'r buddy is going down, you tie him to a bunch of townies, to try to get some mislynches out of the disaster of having to lynch your buddy. I don't see the benefit to scum-zu saying that if he knows vp is town.

[charter]

I am pretty sure that if Balter wasn't scum, Yos would have voted him after Balter claimed vanilla. Pretty sure.

Anyhow, continuing reading where I left off.

[charter]

And your point about Zu's statement, Elvis, is another really good one.

[charter]

Ugh, my play day two is atrocious. ATROCIOUS!

Page 42 is another worth reading carefully Elvis, The votecount shows a clear preference of the scum to not lynch Balter. I'm REALLY having a hard time thinking up a way that Balter isn't scum here. This is pretty much regardless of Pooky's play. Pooky hadn't really done anything, but Balter is really scummy based off the actions of the other dead scumbags.

[charter]

Sorry for spamming the thread, but I need to remind myself to go back and look at Yos and see how he emerged to prefer Xyl. I want to see who his first and second lynch choices were when Balter was the third and see if Xyl was on his radar, or if Xyl just jumped to the top because the Xyl lynch would take the steam out of the Balter lynch.

PLUS, double bonus here, Ojanen was killed night two, and she was arguably the biggest proponent of the Balter lynch.

I'm just kind of posting important things I see as they come to me while rereading.

[VP Baltar]

I don't see the benefit to scum-zu saying that if he knows vp is town.

Well obviously if my lynch had gone through without scum support it gave zu a perfect chance to shovel shit on people after I flipped town. He could point back and say "see, I told you it was a scum driven wagon on a townie".

[elvis_knits]

No, but why suggest you might be getting bussed if he knows you're town?

[charter]

1151, hard defense of Balter by Yos.

1173, another defense of Balter by Yos. This one making NO SENSE at all if they aren't scumbuddies.

1176, Lulz. Defense by rofl.

1182, Getting ridiculous here, defense of Balter by zu faul.

This was all beginning of day three.

1250, Finally! The defense of Balter by tajo.

I seriously do not think it possible for Balter to be town, get run up to L-1 entirely by townies, AND NONE OF THE SCUM "THINK" HE IS SCUM. I am pretty sure nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the universe. Never.

1341, Balter subscribes to the false dilemma theory of rofl/username.

1347, Balter attacks SC while defending rofl.

Page 55 now, don't feel like reading any more right now.

Balter, I know you're reading what I'm writing, you should probably respond to it. Same with what Elvis is writing.

Elvis, who are you leaning towards being the scumbag currently? Can I get a real short list of reasons as well?

[charter]

No, but why suggest you might be getting bussed if he knows you're town?

Yeah, slip up by zu faul.

[VP Baltar]

What do you want me to respond to specifically charter? I really think rofl was plotting to use me after I claimed vanilla and probably told his buddies that during Night 2. I think they started defending me then for that express purpose.

I don't know what zu's motivation was for saying that. I mean, him saying people were scummy regardless of my alignment looks more to me like him hedging his bets cause he was uncertain of what to do after the other scumbags didn't follow through on my lynch.

[charter]

Hmmm, most of the points I find against you is a coordinated effort by scum to halt suspicion on you, so not really something you can defend. It should be noted that they did this for each other plenty, and never did it to anyone else. They kind of all said a few people were town, but those people never had much real suspicion or votes on them, and magically are all town! They never did say you were town though.

You can respond to this.

Balter's responses to ekim's case was basically to try and cast suspicion back on ekim, not to alleviate mikes suspicion of him.

And explain how your defense was good.

[VP Baltar]

I had been attacking ekiM since day 1 and I wasn't particularly moved by his cases. After awhile he wasn't even listening to anything I was saying and I really despise that when I'm playing mafia. He stopped trying to have a legitimate debate and figure out my alignment, and simply wanted to argue with me. I'm not keen on that at all and I see that as more likely to come from scum than town unless I have a meta on you that says you tunnel as town.

[charter]

1356, faul subscribes to the lynch pooky/charter instead of user/rofl

page 56, I am confident that Elvis is town. She is being extremely confrontational with the scum, seems impossible if she was scum.

1444, Oh Balter... Yeah, I'm really not seeing a way that Balter is town here.

1512, zu faul jumps to Pooky. Votecount at this point was an absolute mess though, like a four way tie at two votes.

Top of 62 now.

[charter]

1699, Balter realizes that tajo is going down, but throws out no lynch and says he's going to have to decide. He has also missed pretty much all of the past five or so pages. Pretty sure by this time no one is considering no lynch.

1752, Balter waffles on tajo after Pooky gets some more votes.

Yeah, Balter is really trying to find a way to not lynch tajo.

1784, Balter tries saying they both could be scum, though doesn't hammer Pooky.

Beginning of day four, Balter is very quiet. Everyone else was clamoring for a speedy lynch of rofl, or else for a speedy lynch of Yos. Balter's posts weren't either of those. He was still kind of going on about Pooky.

1904, Another slip by zu faul. Says kmd should vig Pooky. Doesn't mention Balter.

Thesps last post raises a good point, about VP's 'fine with getting vigged comment'. That was giving me a great deal of pause, but I think Balter has to be a NK immune GF.

Still on thesp's post on page 80, gotta run.

[charter]

Finished.

I actually think it's Balter. Still can't believe I'm saying that. Elvis, what do you think, since it's who think that matters?

[VP Baltar]

So nothing in your reread looks like pooky is scum? Lord help this town.

[charter]

Not really, no.

[VP Baltar]

Well that is ridiculous.

Also, when are you going to stump?

[elvis_knits]

I am leaning Baltar, but I haven't looked at the pooky wagon again yet.

VP, the problem is this:

Not only was your wagon all town, but all the scum said weird scummy stuff about you, and they all skipped your wagon, going from SC to Xyl. Some, like Yos, even sounded like they thought you were scum, while he voted Xyl instead.

I agree that Pooky is not lillywhite though. He has scummy things about him, but your all-town wagon plus your interaction with known scum, is like sort of overwhelming.

Another thingI want to look at -- one of the last things zu said was a post accusing me to falling for buddying, seemingly angry at how I seem to let pooky off the hook. I want to reread and see what I think about that.

When is the deadline? Which is really the deadline for charter to stump... I think we should give ourselves a cushion of like a day there so that if charter doesn't/can't stump, we can lynch him. I am not lynching anyone else without charter proving his role.

But I do think charter is town and I appreciate his efforts to help me sort out the mess between VP and pooky.