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MrSuave Goon
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Well that wasn't a very nice hello D=Symbol wrote:Hello, Nuwen. Hello, all you jerks who failed to greet me within two minutes of the mod note.
Vote: Toro.
FOS: ekiM, Nuwen, Hoopla.
MrSuave should request a day vigilante role PM from the mod, then kill himself.
SophistricDoctine joke-voted MrSuave to L-3 and got yelled at. Immediately afterward, Hoopla put Suave at L-2 and no one seemed to care. Noted.
Oh, and hello, RECK.
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Symbol Goon
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geekalicious Goon
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Not sure exactly what to think of xRECKONERx's vote on tubby216 right now. x seems to be moving his vote in the game a lot. However, tubby216 has been lurking and hardly contributing, so I don't necesarilly think it's scummy.Nuwen wrote:Geek, what do you think of Reckoner's vote on Tubby and Tubby himself?
Hi Hoopla.
And hello, Symbol. Care to explain any of your voting/ FoS-ing reasoning?You're just jealous 'cause my geekshake brings all the nerds to the yard.-
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Symbol Goon
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Okay, then.
Nuwen. Isos. 2, 9, 11.
Hoopla. Isos. 4, 8, 13, 15.
Toro. Iso. 1. Compare. No record of Toro-town doing that. Also, iso. 4: feeble word choice and stating the obvious.Toro, iso. 4 wrote:thinking it's coaching, but I'mI get where you're coming fromposting myjustPoV.really
I've lost interest in Mike, for now.
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Symbol, your numbers mean nothing without explanations to accompany them. PBPA's without opinion or expansion are a vapid way of appearing active without committing yourself to any stance. What about my 2, 9, 11 and Hoopla's 4, 8, 13, 15 bother you?
How big of a sample size do you typically base meta assumptions on?So high, so low, so many things to know.
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tubby216 Mafia Scum
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un impressed vote staysSymbol wrote:Okay, then.
Nuwen. Isos. 2, 9, 11.
Hoopla. Isos. 4, 8, 13, 15.
Toro. Iso. 1. Compare. No record of Toro-town doing that. Also, iso. 4: feeble word choice and stating the obvious.Toro, iso. 4 wrote:thinking it's coaching, but I'mI get where you're coming fromposting myjustPoV.really
I've lost interest in Mike, for now.
Unvote. Vote: iamausername."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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geekalicious Goon
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Symbol,
1. You have absolutely no analysis with your posts. Scummy.
2. If you're going to put something like this for example:
where you just post the numbers, then at least make the numbers hyperlinks. It is going to be painful to go back through the thread and find each of these posts the way that you've labeled them.Symbol wrote:Nuwen. Isos. 2, 9, 11.
3. Then, at the end of your post when you've finally done some sort of explanation for your previous reasoning, you slap your vote on iamausername with no explanation. WTF?You're just jealous 'cause my geekshake brings all the nerds to the yard.-
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Symbol Goon
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You don't think FOSes commit to a stance?Nuwen wrote:PBPA's without opinion or expansion are a vapid way of appearing active without committing yourself to any stance.
It varies. The only meta I did here was Toro (a quick check on self-votes).Nuwen wrote:How big of a sample size do you typically base meta assumptions on?
Well, I broke down on Toro and did a short analysis there. That aside, why is lack of analysis scummy?Geek wrote:1. You have absolutely no analysis with your posts. Scummy.
Right. Why is that deserving of "WTF"?Geek wrote:3. Then, at the end of your post when you've finally done some sort of explanation for your previous reasoning, you slap your vote on iamausername with no explanation. WTF?
Actually, if you can master the arcane art of reading players in isolation, listing iso. posts is infinitely easier on the reader than setting up three or four different hyperlinks for each player.Geek wrote:where you just post the numbers, then at least make the numbers hyperlinks. It is going to be painful to go back through the thread and find each of these posts the way that you've labeled them.
Sure, about as unimpressive as your intermittent lurking and drab one-liners.tubby216 wrote:un impressed vote stays-
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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It may not be deserving of a WTF, but it is definitely deserving of questioning.Symbol wrote:
Right. Why is that deserving of "WTF"?Geek wrote:3. Then, at the end of your post when you've finally done some sort of explanation for your previous reasoning, you slap your vote on iamausername with no explanation. WTF?
You know what's even better? Quoting the offending posts and pointing out what you find suspicious. It certainly makes things a lot easier for me to read.Symbol wrote:
Actually, if you can master the arcane art of reading players in isolation, listing iso. posts is infinitely easier on the reader than setting up three or four different hyperlinks for each player.Geek wrote:where you just post the numbers, then at least make the numbers hyperlinks. It is going to be painful to go back through the thread and find each of these posts the way that you've labeled them.-
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Symbol Goon
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Since Nuwen squandered her chance to post a reaction I could twist into lynch material, I guess I'll lay out my beef with her right now.
I get a sour gut read off of iso. 2. I realize townies do this at times, but joking about alignment at your own expense is lame, and as far as I'm concerned it's painfully gratuitous as far as town strategy, methodology, win condition goes. Furthermore, it's a deliberate injection of WIFOM into the game at a stage when youreallyhave no reason to do so.
Isos. 9 and 11:
That's a paper-thin reason for IAUN. I'm taking heat for acting similarly.Nuwen wrote:1. From a scum perspective, Iam's vote on Geek would make little sense - he placed it early, without case material to stand on. The intent obviously comes from a non-scum faction pressuring out more information, prioritizing scum hunting over personal appearance.
Nuwen wrote:2.Geek's posts fish for any information, any material, regardless of whether it's alignment indicative.Even after I declined to answer his post 72, he continued to push the age issue.Nuwen wrote:Geek commits to a stance and saysNuwen is scummy for fishing out information that isn't indicative of alignment(here's were Geek becomes scummy - not because he believes I'm scummy, but because he's opportunistically using an alignment neutral action as fuel for a case)
I clearly asked the former and not the latter. I'm intrigued that players are homing in on my unreasoned vote switch when they didn't home in on, for example, IAUN's.MacavityLock wrote:It may not be deserving of a WTF, but it is definitely deserving of questioning.
Patience. It's a process, not an event. I get double the reactions this way, at a bare minimum.MacavityLock wrote:You know what's even better? Quoting the offending posts and pointing out what you find suspicious. It certainly makes things a lot easier for me to read.-
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Mass FOSes are for pussies and scum. In moderation, a FOS can serve as a supplement to a vote elsewhere in order to spread out pressure. Symbol effectively put more than a quarter of the game on his "suspicious" list, but has made no move to explain himself. It's an easy way to set himself up to join whatever wagon becomes popular ("I found x scummy early on too, see!").Symbol wrote: You don't think FOSes commit to a stance?
He's done a remarkable job at being active while contributing nothing tangible.
unvote, vote Symbol.
I also have a problem with a single game meta. Avery largesample size is necessary to determine whether a behavior is consistent with a single alignment. Meta is especially difficult to develop on newer players (<1 year here), because it takes more than a handful of games to settle into a style; newer players are more likely to adapt, alter, and actively change their play styles while being accustomed to mafia nuances. Anyone using meta tells with such a limited sample size is either dumb or scum.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Oh hi simulpost.Symbol wrote:twist into lynch material.
You're going to have to do a little more than bold my posts to explain your problem. Is there something I should clarify?
I want everyone that isn't Geek to weigh in on Symbol's foray into the game. I want Toro and Hoopla to speak first, preferably.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Symbol Goon
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You don't think a quarter or so of the game is scum? You don't value temporary omission of reasons in order to garner twice the reaction from the FOS targets (once before the reasons are laid out, and then again afterward)?Nuwen wrote:Mass FOSes are for pussies and scum. In moderation, a FOS can serve as a supplement to a vote elsewhere in order to spread out pressure. Symbol effectively put more than a quarter of the game on his "suspicious" list, but has made no move to explain himself. It's an easy way to set himself up to join whatever wagon becomes popular ("I found x scummy early on too, see!").
I've been here for a few hours and posted more than enough. "Remaining active" is nonsense.He's done a remarkable job at being active while contributing nothing tangible.
1. Assuming this is an error on my part, why does it make me scummy?I also have a problem with a single game meta. A very large sample size is necessary to determine whether a behavior is consistent with a single alignment.
2. In Toro's three games as town, he has never self-voted during RVS. In his two games as scum, he has self-voted once during RVS. The sample size is small, but I think it says something. Of course I'm not committed to driving Toro into the ground. It's page 8. Scum tells are scarce.
Why did you choose scum instead of dumb? The two options are equally plausible, yet for someone who demands immediate presentation of logic behind decisions made while scum-hunting, you gave no logical support to your inclination toward one.Anyone using meta tells with such a limited sample size is either dumb or scum.
Ho-hum. Made it half a page before sliding back into regular style. There goes the whole point of creating an alt.
I thought it was relatively clear, but I may have missed something during my read-through. In the first quote you accuse Geek of egregious fishing, but then you take his argument that you're fishing egregiously and use it against him.You're going to have to do a little more than bold my posts to explain your problem. Is there something I should clarify?
Again, I might've missed something here as the contradiction seems blindingly obvious.
Why not Geek?I want everyone that isn't Geek to weigh in on Symbol's foray into the game. I want Toro and Hoopla to speak first, preferably.-
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Symbol Goon
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I'm not outlining Hoopla (who is 90% instinct anyway as opposed to your 75%) until she responds to the opening scuffle.Nuwen wrote:I'd also like to hear why Symbol is suspicious of Hoopla and what changed between the time he FOS'd Mike and lost interest in him.
As for Mike, I did a reread and didn't find him as shady as I did the first time.
Now are you going to try to warp change in opinion into a scum tell (which would unfortunately damn this site's entire population)?-
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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I really dislike single-sentence responses in games; they skew focus and make replying a royal pain. Just as a heads up, I'm prone to misreading heavily split posts (and I think their posters are equally likely to miss "the point"). Paragraphs are our friends. Nuwen loves and worships the paragraph. Nuwen is far more likely to read and reflect upon your warm, joyous words in paragraph form (no, this doesn't mean I won't read other posts - I'll just light a candle and pray you're struck down by my gods).
It's impossible to tell how many scum are in a game before a set of night actions resolve, but I'd predict ~three in a game this size. Symbolic, do you think you found them all in your first post? I don't see a plain town motivation to announcing a broad spectrum of unexplained suspicion - reaction fishing can come from either alignment. The mass FOS parses as an action more likely to be taken by scum, who need to gain early footholds in wagons and avoid obvious switches.
Iam's unexplained voting differed from Symbolic's because of timing, as I explained before. The first few vote changes out of the RVS draw the entire game's attention. An unexplained vote 8 pages in does not have the same town implications to me (in fact, it's anti-town because it drawsnegativeattention to your behavior. If you're town, that's bad. If you're scum, you're granted the opportunity to feel out which wagon you'll be pursuing).
Reread my my 107 very, very slowly. Follow the time-sensitive chain of events. I said that our issues with each other are very similar, separated only by his step towards a vote first.
You're going to explain your suspicions (Hoopla, original read on Mike) or you're going to be lynched. There will be no precedent set in this game that permits players to dance in and out of suspect trains without being held accountable.
I call 'em as I see 'em.Symbol wrote:try to warpSo high, so low, so many things to know.
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Symbol wrote:Why not Geek?
After this post, I don't think Symbol and Greek are likely to be scum together. I want to hear Geek's reads elsewhere to see whether or not they're more town-motivated than his earlier posts.geekalicious wrote:Symbol,
1. You have absolutely no analysis with your posts. Scummy.
2. If you're going to put something like this for example:
where you just post the numbers, then at least make the numbers hyperlinks. It is going to be painful to go back through the thread and find each of these posts the way that you've labeled them.Symbol wrote:Nuwen. Isos. 2, 9, 11.
3. Then, at the end of your post when you've finally done some sort of explanation for your previous reasoning, you slap your vote on iamausername with no explanation. WTF?So high, so low, so many things to know.
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Symbol Goon
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I will wait for Hoopla to reply, then post my suspicion on her. After that you can lynch me; I don't mind. My original read on Mike was vaguely lurker scum, but that instantly changed to null upon reread.You're going to explain your suspicions (Hoopla, original read on Mike) or you're going to be lynched. There will be no precedent set in this game that permits players to dance in and out of suspect trains without being held accountable.
I don't follow. What makes his willingness to drop a vote like that scummy?I said that our issues with each other are very similar, separated only by his step towards a vote first.
That's a bull tell. A vote plus an FOS on four players is not a scummy opening action taken by a replacement.The mass FOS parses as an action more likely to be taken by scum, who need to gain early footholds in wagons and avoid obvious switches.
Yecch. I may as well switch over to my main account as my natural style clearly can't live up to the objective of this self-experiment. Then I'll lose the last stitches of incentive not to post 384 times in one 62-page game with double the grumpiness and double the vacillation about whether or not to believe odd night 0 role claims (oh, God help me; did I just say that?), and all hell will ensue.
Geek's looked fairly pro-town throughout. *shrug* I'm amused, though, that you're cutting him so much slack and frowning on the possibility of a scum team because of a little page 8 distancing.-
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Yet plenty of town players regularly rely on this. And it works damn well, when they do it right.An unexplained vote 8 pages in does not have the same town implications to me
How do you expect me to answer that. Do I suspect some/most of my page 8 reads are wrong? Of course. But am I sure that judging by the information we have, those four, individually, are the most likely to be scum? Yes.Symbolic, do you think you found them all in your first post?
Should I portray myself as unsure so that I don't get night-killed because my reads really are spot on?
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Oh, we're going to be friends, then.I really dislike single-sentence responses in games; they skew focus and make replying a royal pain.-
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Huh. I took it as you worrying that he might actually elevate his read on me, since I seem to agree with him on your alignment.Nuwen wrote:After this post, I don't think Symbol and Greek are likely to be scum together. I want to hear Geek's reads elsewhere to see whether or not they're more town-motivated than his earlier posts.-
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